Meguiars brunei bad reputation

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Meguiars brunei bad reputation

Here's your photo showing clear coat failure





Here's some photos of clear coat failure from this thread...

The Clearcoat Failure Archive


We get so many questions for help from people trying to fix the paint on their car when the problem they're dealing with is un-fixable in that it's what we call Clear Coat Failure.

Many people confuse Clearcoat Failure with Oxidation and while clearcoat failure can be caused by oxidation and part of clearcoat failure can be oxidized clearcoat paint, clearcoat failure and oxidation are different categories of paint problems.


Oxidation is a problem more associated with older single stage paints while clearcoat failure is a problem specific to clearcoat paints. Because we're going on 3 generations of consumers only owning cars with clearcoat finishes and never owning a car with a single stage paint there tends to be some confusion over exactly what the problem looks like so this thread is to document with photos all kinds of examples of clearcoat failure in the 3 different general stages.


Photos of Clearcoat Failure















This is the beginning of clear coat failure, note how the paint is turning cloudy or hazy but it's not yet flaking off.




These 3 pictures show the last stage of clear coat failure, the clear coat has turned white and began to flake off. The car looks like it has a bad rash. This is not oxidation, but the extreme deterioration of the clear layer of paint over the color coat. There is nothing you can do to fix this problem except to repaint the car.








More pictures of clear coat failure...















Just to note... Clear Coat Failure is not a problem --> on <-- the paint, as in on the surface, but it is a deterioration or breakdown of the paint itself. By this we mean the damage is --> in <-- the paint, as in... throughout the matrix of the layer of paint.

This is why you can't apply a topical paint cleaner to clear coat failure and fix the problem.

Does that make sense?

The only honest repair for clearcoat failure is to repaint the affected area or the entire car.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Meguiars brunei bad reputation

There's a huge difference between an oxidized single stage paint and a basecoat/clearcoat finish where the clear coat is failing, that is it's going bad and not just on the surface, but the entire layer of clear paint is going bad and visually this looks like it's turning white, like oxidation but it's not oxidation it's the entire layer going bad.

Clearcoat failure cannot be fixed.

Oxidized single stage paints can be fixed if there's enough paint on the car.

The picture you posted of the finish looks like clear coat failure, NOTHING will fix it but a new paint job.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Meguiars brunei bad reputation

Does that mean that the cars from extreme makeover eg 'miracle buff' and 69 camaro are temporary? And will quickly fade to the oxidized state?

No...what I said was:

If your friend's car looked like that hood, it could be the beginning of clear coat failure. Polishing it will restore the gloss temporarily but it will quickly fade back to that state. No product or skill level of the detailer can change that. Once CC failure starts, there is nothing that can be done. All you can do is keep applying a wax to help keep up the appearance the best you can.

Sometimes people have unobtainable expectations from detailers. If the paint is failing, or has been damaged by some type of severe industrial fallout etc, a detailer can bring it back to the best that paint can be, but it will/may not last. I think people sometimes see some of these miracle make-overs and expect that their car should also look like that. Alas, that is not the case as each car's paint is different.

Meaning, that it may return if the paint is beginning to fail or is already failing. Based on the description you gave, it sounds like the paint may be in a state of failure. If so, then no, the results will not last. Or, if the CC has worn through to the base coat, the paint will appear dull and hazed. Polishing will bring back, but in a matter of weeks, it will fade again. Again, the paint is failing...

The key to the above is paint failure. So in the extreme make-overs, if the paint is failing, the fade will return. If it is not, then it will not. Each car's paint is different as I said above.

Tim

[prelude86]

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Please block, delete o remove this thread allready

[prelude86]

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Does that mean that the cars from extreme makeover eg 'miracle buff' and 69 camaro are temporary? And will quickly fade to the oxidized state?

[the other pc]

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where are you from?

I’m guessing he’s in Brunei.


PC.

[Hemin8r]

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Over the counter is one main reason. I've wowed a lot with the A line Cleaner Wax. They thought that I used something more expensive than what they were paying for. Price has nothing to do with initial quality. It's the techinique and expertise that my customer's are paying for.

I agree 100%

[Justin Murphy]

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Meguiars has come through for me on even extreme cases within reason ofcourse. I agree that you can only do so much especially when the clear coat is failing.
Some of my customers are wowed and the first thing they ask is oh do you use zymol or something? When I tell them it's Meguiars they seem to be surprised. Probably because they see many Meguiars products over the counter they think it's not a professional line.

Over the counter is one main reason. I've wowed a lot with the A line Cleaner Wax. They thought that I used something more expensive than what they were paying for. Price has nothing to do with initial quality. It's the techinique and expertise that my customer's are paying for.

[Hemin8r]

Re: Meguiars brunei bad reputation

Meguiars has come through for me on even extreme cases within reason ofcourse. I agree that you can only do so much especially when the clear coat is failing.
Some of my customers are wowed and the first thing they ask is oh do you use zymol or something? When I tell them it's Meguiars they seem to be surprised. Probably because they see many Meguiars products over the counter they think it's not a professional line.

[Justin Murphy]

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I've never had a Meguiar's product not live it up to it's label.......in fact it normally exceeds it.

10k wax doesn't make a detail.......the DETAILER does.

[yalerd]

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in my country we can't call the 800 #

where are you from?

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Meguiars brunei bad reputation

Hey,

If your friend's car looked like that hood, it could be the beginning of clear coat failure. Polishing it will restore the gloss temporarily but it will quickly fade back to that state. No product or skill level of the detailer can change that. Once CC failure starts, there is nothing that can be done. All you can do is keep applying a wax to help keep up the appearance the best you can.

Sometimes people have unobtainable expectations from detailers. If the paint is failing, or has been damaged by some type of severe industrial fallout etc, a detailer can bring it back to the best that paint can be, but it will/may not last. I think people sometimes see some of these miracle make-overs and expect that their car should also look like that. Alas, that is not the case as each car's paint is different. Often times, a detailer will look at a paint and suggest that it will not be a problem to detail, until they actually tackle into it and then see the REAL condition of the paint, they have no REAL idea how bad it truly is.

Here is an analogy: You have been in a rear end accident. The bumper on your car has a small dent and you figure that the damage is very minor. You take it to the body shop, they say the same thing but suggest that they will have to check to see what was damaged that can not be seen. Suddenly, you have a LOT more damage than you expected. That just happened to a friend of mine with his new F150. He was rear ended and the damage did not appear too bad...but it was and the bill was over $4000 for the repairs.

Does that make sense? I am trying to convey that people sometimes expect that detailers can make their car's paint new again. So while detailers can make it look fantastic, if the paint is failing, it is failing. All the product or skills in the world can only do so much...

Tim

[prelude86]

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actually it was my friend's 97 toyota and i cant take picture of it now because its already preped for paint and in my country we can't call the 800 #

All i can say is it looked like the white spot on this rx7 in extreme makeover 'miracle buff'
its still smooth only turned white which in my past exprience with my friend's corolla can be remove w/ rubbing compound to restore the colour but i dun have the tools and exprience to remove the scratch and back then i have no idea about meguiars.

[yalerd]

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anyone that knows anything at all knows our products perform as stated and our company tends to attract people that are passionate about cars, two things that lead to success.

Nailed it!
I've notice this and great point Mike, people that use Meguiar's are very passionate about cars, I see people use other brands and it's really because someone told them or by impulse but they are not "married" to the brand, they can use one brand this month and next month they could use another one due to a sale special for example.

Just a note, never judge that quick because you never know the interest on the other side

[jfelbab]

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actually i send my car with minor oxidation and they cant fix it but in this forum i saw worst oxidation repair,

One of them lied to me into buying a paint cleaner that it could remove watterspots and scratches so i bought the meg body scrub

I just hope not all of them are bad coz i noe some had detailing courses.

I wish the workers there could duplicte what you guys did in this forum

Since they are the authorised dealer they didnt mention of any moneyback gurantee?

I got a bad batch of color X. It had water and no matter how hard i shook it it won't mix same thing happed with my nxt. 1st meg product the body scrub is in better shape than my nxt and color x. I bought it a long time ago so i dout i could replace it beacuse i didnt know it was a bad batch until i read about it in this forum

I'd like to see that oxidation and how old is the car? Are you talking about a 22 year old 1986 Honda Prelude?

If so, it is very likely that the detailer is correct. Once paint starts to age and oxidize it is a very slippery slope to keep it looking good. Oxidation is not dirt on the paint it is the paint drying out and disintegrating. Once it starts there is little outside of repainting that will keep it from oxidizing again in a short time. Yes, it will come right back. You can use Body Scrub to remove the oxidation but you will find that this will need to be done more and more frequently as the paint is dying. I have owned cars where the paint had begun to deteriorate and the only way you can manage this is to keep polishing with products like Body Scrub and sealing frequently with sealant or wax. A car cover would also help to slow the process but understand that the paint is drying out and eventually you will need to repaint if you intend to keep the car and want to resolve this issue.

Read the back label on the Meg's products. Here in the states there is an 800 number to call if the product is not providing satisfactory use. Meg's has a well trained staff of customer service representitives who will do their best to see that you are;
using the right products for the job, using the products properly, or will replace defective products.