2 questions for new car detailing: Quik Detailer and Step 2 Polish

[Tuningfreak]

I have 2 questions. My customer has a new car without any scratches, only a little bit burnt in bird dirt. Its black colored and he wants to get the most shiny finish and a long lasting coating.

My offer was:
- NXT Wash
- Quik Clay with Detailer
- Deep Crystal Step 2 polish
- NXT Tech Wax

Now my customer is afraid about 2 things he "heard":

1) The Quik Detailer SHOULD NOT be used in connection with the NXT Wax. There should only be used the NXT Speed Detailer. Problem is, that the Speed Detailer is not available with CLAY! I believe its no "big" problem to use the Quik Detailer instead of the Speed Detailer, but now want to be 100% sure.

2) Someone told him thats useless (or not necessary) to use the Deep Crystal Polish, because on a new car its useless AND the NXT wax is including a polish, so its no problem but he doesnt need it. I said: To get the most reflections, shiny finish and glaze, I would do the work with the polish - its still without any abrehesive parts, its only for shine etc! Who is right?

[Murr1525]

1) Doesnt matter at all.. all Meguairs products work well together. I have heard rumor that the Quick Detailer works best with the clay, as opposed to the Nxt detailer. Also, if you are using clay, there wont be any wax of any sort left on the surface anyway, and you're putting on fresh Nxt afterwards, so what is he worried about?

2) Nxt does not conatin any usefull amount of polishing oils. It has oils in it, but not enough to do any sort of polishing. It als ohas cleaners, but not enough to do anything usefull. To get the deepest reflection out of a dark color, it definately needs polished, new or not. Might as well start when its new... was he planning to let the paint deteriorate, and then polish it?

I know, a little sarcastic, but one of those days...

[Mike Phillips]

Re: 2 questions for new car detailing: quikdetailer and Step 2 polish

Originally posted by Tuningfreak
Who is right?

You're right.

You can use any quick detailer with any of our waxes.

Deep Crystal Polish is completely non-abrasive and is good for bringing a finish to maximum clarity, brilliance, reflectivity and gloss.

NXT Tech Wax does contain a sleight amount of specialized cleaners, but not enough to make it a cleaner/wax. In fact NXT Tech Wax should only be used on finishes that are in new, or like new condition, that is the finish needs to be clean, polished and free from any above surface bonded contaminants.

Check out these two first prizes the owner of this Overhaulin Challenger received after we polished out the swirls and applied two coats of NXT Tech Wax.










The point being is that NXT Tech Wax is not a cleaner/wax, nor an abrasive product, but a wax worthing of winning awards like you see above.

[Tuningfreak]

Sound really interesting. Its also my opinion! Okay, here is the problem and I´m a little bit angry now:

The given opinions above (Point 1 and 2) are exactly from the german so called Meguiars experts from Meguiars Germany. They told MY CUSTOMER on request in the german forum, that you should use the NXT Speed detailer and not the Quik Detailer and also they said that a polishing with an abrehesive polish is NOT NEEDED (I agree), but also a polish with Step 2 polish is on NEW CARS not nessesary, wash and wax is everything you need - in theire opinion the NXT Wax is a polish & wax in 1 product.

Sounds interesting...

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Murr1525
1) Doesn't matter at all.. all Meguiar's products work well together. I have heard rumor that the Quick Detailer works best with the clay, as opposed to the NXT detailer. Also, if you are using clay, there wont be any wax of any sort left on the surface anyway, and you're putting on fresh NXT afterwards, so what is he worried about?

Just for the record, I haven't heard this rumor, and just last week I clayed a Corvette using NXT Speed Detailer and it worked just fine. You are right about the fact that claying will remove anything off the surface including wax.

2) NXT does not contain any usefully amount of polishing oils. It has oils in it, but not enough to do any sort of polishing. It also has cleaners, but not enough to do anything useful.

I don't know what's in NXT Tech Wax as far as polishing oils go, it does contain a slight amount of some non-abrasive cleaners in it as I mentioned above and all over this forum.

[Tuningfreak]

@Mike: Please read my 2nd post!

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Tuningfreak
Sound really interesting. Its also my opinion! Okay, here is the problem and I´m a little bit angry now:

The given opinions above (Point 1 and 2) are exactly from the German so called Meguiar's experts from Meguiar's Germany. They told MY CUSTOMER on request in the German forum, that you should use the NXT Speed detailer and not the Quik Detailer

This is wrong. You can use any Meguiar's quick detailer, or mist and wipe product with any of our waxes.

and also they said that a polishing with an abrasive polish is NOT NEEDED (I agree),

This is correct, if you're working on a brand new car with no below surface defects, then you don't need a paint cleaner with the ability to remove paint.

Meguiar's uses diminishing abrasives in our paint cleaners that have the ability to remove below surface defects, not merely abrasives, there is a huge difference. Same goes for our cleaner/polishes.

Our Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner and our Deep Crystal Polish are both non-abrasive, and you don't have to use them on a new car, but you certainly can if you want, as they will insure a clean surface, polished to its maximum potential before applying a wax. It's a choice. Some people are more car crazy than others and choose to insure their new car's paint is absolutely cleaned and polished before applying a wax. You never know what the dealer did to the paint before you purchase the car and bring it home.

but also a polish with Step 2 polish is on NEW CARS not necessary, wash and wax is everything you need

Read what I wrote above. Meguiar's always states that applying a pure polish is an option, not mandatory, it's up to the personal preference of the owner.

in their opinion the NXT Wax is a polish & wax in 1 product.

Ask them how they define the word polish as a lot of people think it means a product that is an abrasive and this isn't' true when it comes to Meguiar's products.

NXT Tech Wax is not a polish/wax like Gold Class is a polish wax, that is a wax that is rich in polishing oils.

IT does contain a slight amount of specialized cleaners in it, but not enough to make it a cleaner/wax in the sense of a true cleaner/wax.

[Mike Phillips]

I can't read German?

Here's their website though...

Meguiar's Deutschland Discussion Forum

[Murr1525]

I might have used too strong of a word with rumor... just a few post happened to mention it. Cant say I have tried the Nxt Detailer with clay.

[RockyTop]

Overhaulin Challenger??? Ummmm......isn't one of Overhaulin's sponsers that other company that puts out car care products. The company name also starts with M. So, Meguiars had to polish the challenger? lol..........That's cool..........lol!

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Murr1525
I might have used too strong of a word with rumor... just a few post happened to mention it. Cant say I have tried the Nxt Detailer with clay.

Not to worry Murr1525, it's just that rumors are easy to start and hard to kill.

[Tuningfreak]

For sure, the German guys know the difference in polishes. In Germany the most people believe, a polish must be abrasive to get lost of scratches and deep dirt. Megs Germany told my customer also, that YOU have another definition of polishing.

[roushstage2]

Not sure if I am correct, but

I read that thread, and what was being said was that NXT was a polish and a wax and so no polish was needed unless there were scratches in the paint.

Is this corrrect Tuningfreak?

[Mike Phillips]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tuningfreak

For sure, the German guys know the difference in polishes. In Germany the most people believe, a polish must be abrasive to get lost of scratches and deep dirt. Megs Germany told my customer also, that YOU have another definition of polishing.

Meguiar's has a long history of offering non-abrasive polishes for the purpose of creating gloss and beauty. Below I have included an excerpt from an article that addresses it plus a link to the entire article. I would encourage you to read the entire article and perhaps share the link on the German forum.

Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle

Here's the excerpt on the polish section...

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Step-3 Polishing



Meguiar's offers two types of polishes, Cleaner Polishes and Pure Polishes. Cleaner Polishes are for removing very light or fine defects while restoring a crystal clear, smooth high gloss surface. Pure polishes are for finishes already in excellent condition and are for the purpose or creating brilliant high gloss with deep dark reflections.

If you look in Webster's Dictionary under the word polish, one of the definitions they include reads like this:

"A preparation that is used to produce gloss, and often color for the protection and decoration of a surface."

This definition best describes Meguiar's Pure Polishes. Meguiar's pure polishes are designed to create brilliant high gloss while preparing the surface for the application of a protective coating. Meguiar's pure polishes accomplish this without the use of abrasives.


Another definition found in Webster's Dictionary for polish is,

"To make smooth and glossy by friction."

This definition best describes Meguiar's Cleaner/Polishes. Meguiar's cleaner polishes are formulated to very gently abrade the surface with Meguiar's Diminishing Abrasive TM and Buffered Abrasive TM technology to remove the finest defects and create a perfectly smooth, high gloss finish.

Depending on what type of paint you're working on, traditional paints like lacquers and enamels, or catalyzed clear coats, Meguiar's has the products specifically designed to work on both types of paints, not to mention many other surfaces such as plastics and polyester resins (Fiberglas Gel-coats).


Meguiar's Trade Secret Polishing Oils
The trade secret oils Meguiar's uses in both types of polishes are unique to the industry and to this day have never been surpassed for creating deep, dark reflections and brilliant high gloss by any of our competitors in over 100 years.

The oils Meguiar's uses are also important in maintaining the original condition of the paint by filling in the naturally occurring microscopic pores and surface imperfections thus preventing detrimental substances and elements as simple as water, or worse, acid-rain, from entering into these pores and microscopic surface imperfections thus causing oxidation and chemical etching. These oils act to replace the original resins as they wear away through natural processes.

When paint is new, it is the most impermeable it will ever be, this means it is a very smooth non-porous, continuous film. With age, exposure to the environment and micro-scratching caused by day-in, day-out wear and tear, your paint develops micro-fissures in the surface along with other defects. These micro-fissures and other defects act to make the continuous film or coating of paint more porous. As this happens, your car's finish becomes more vulnerable to corrosive elements that will attack and degrade your finish.


Remember, waxes, synthetic or otherwise, are meant to be Sacrificial Barriers with the intended purpose sealing the surface, while blocking those things that would attack your paint, from coming into direct contact with the paint.

"Waxes protect your finish by sacrificing themselves so that your paint doesn't have to"

An analogy is your skin. In the same way you can clean, polish and protect your skin, you can clean, polish and protect your car's finish. Soap can be used to clean your skin and remove dirt from the pores. Skin lotions can be used to moisturize your skin, conditioning it and making it more clear and beautiful. Protection products like lotions used to protect hands from exposure to chemicals and UV protectants can be applied to help protect your skin from the things that would attack your skin if these harmful things could come into direct contact with your skin.

While human skin and automotive paint are very different, the analogy is very similar. With Meguiar's, you can:

* Wash your car's finish to remove unwanted and accumulated dirt contaminants
* Clean your paint with our special paint cleaners and cleaner/polishes
* Polish your paint with our pure polishes to create unequaled beauty
* Protect your paint with our advanced paint protection products
* Maintain your car's finish using our fast and easy to use maintenance products.


The unique thing about Meguiar's highly specialized trade secret oils is their ability to restore and maintain the Optical Clarity of both single stage and clear coat paints in a way that waxes alone cannot match, (both natural and synthetic), the results of which are demonstrated in side-by-side comparisons.

[Murr1525]

roushtage2 - Yes, I think that is what was originaly asked, and what was originaly said by the German representatives. It is not correct, Nxt is not a polish/wax.