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Which is better? What's more desired out there? Is it a get what you pay for or??? I can get my hands on either locally and I want the best! Pros cons?
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Re: Professional vs consumer
It's not about what is better. Each line is targeted to a different audience.
For the consumer line, the ultimate line is as close one can get to the pro products in terms of compounds and polishes. The detailer line is aimed towards the professional detailer and the mirror glaze line is aimed at the body shops. Each line has their great product offering.
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Ok that makes sense. I have a black 4 door wrangler that has been neglected few water spots (not many by any means) few scratches nothing past the clear. But not much depth to the paint. I wanna do a full correction clay to finish. Using dual action( been thinking about the micro fiber system) not to sure. I usually use a rotary but I'm gonna avoid the rotary due to all the edges (as jeeps do)Comment
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Locally you can find ultimate compound and ultimate polish. You can pick up the new thin foam pads if you wish to stay with foam. They are great pads. The microfiber system is also a nice system. Microfiber cutting pads cut faster and cut more than a foam cutting pad.
My recommendation would be to pick up ultimate compound and M205 finishing polish. Then do a test spot with M205 on a foam polishing pad. You can adjust aggressiveness if needed after the test spot.Comment
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What would last longer of the two? I wouldn't mind having foam as that's what I am used to on my rotary. In your opinion which is ultimately better?Comment
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Are you referring to the longest lasting protection? If that's the case, neither of them provide protection, you would have to move to a wax or sealant for that and how long the protection lasts depends on many variable, such as where you live, the weather, do you have heavy industrial fallout where you are? Is there a major highway close by etc.Originally posted by Blackjku View PostDon
12/27/2015
"Darth Camaro"
2013 Camaro ... triple black
323 hp V6, 6 speed manualComment
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None of that is the foam padding better and longer lasting than the microfiber system? Sorry I confused you?Comment
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No problem .... IMO, the foam pads are more versatile than the MF pads which, to me, seem to be more for heavier cutting, not so much finessing. For sure, they cut faster and more easily than foam which can be a bonus on trashed paint.Originally posted by Blackjku View PostDon
12/27/2015
"Darth Camaro"
2013 Camaro ... triple black
323 hp V6, 6 speed manualComment
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My paint isn't to terrible. I don't think I just want something that will get me through a couple of cars and I feel like the microfiber will break down quicker. And be harder to clean.Comment
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Both will last about the same amount of time if properly cared for and cleaned. Both are easy to clean.
Can't go wrong with either option.Comment
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I think I am going to go with:
Gold class wash
Clay bar
Ultimate compound
Ultimate Polish
Ultimate wax
Ultimate quick wax
All on foam pads
What do you think? Am I missing anything or calling it something wrong? What foam pads do I need?Comment
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You can get all of that at Walmart. Doesn't mean you'll get professional results, though. The Ultimate line is ubiquitous (and seems to be the answer to every thread on this forum by some regulars no matter what the OP's problem is), but many of the products with the "Ultimate" brand on them are quite neutral or generic in terms of "lines", such as UC and UP (you can use any wax after them). They are near enough the same as M105 and M205, so the "audience" question is just a change of logo and a bottle (I'm exaggerating but you get the point). For most purposes, UC/M105 and UP/M205 will be awesome, except when defects are well beyond UC/M105. "Ultimate" is a marketing trademark more than a completely separate brand. I use some Ultimate products regularly, such as Ultimate Black, Ultimate Interior Detailer, and Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere, which have almost nothing in common with UC/UP/UW/UQW, nor does Gold Class Leather Conditioner have with Gold Class/M26 wax. You can see how confusing it gets!
On some very hard black paint, I spent a LOT of time trying to get a decent correction with the "beginner" methods. UC would just not cut the defects, let alone UP, but UP is a great polish on its own. I used Gold Class/M26 and not UW/M21, but all of that was on foam pads. Foam is a great waste of time, but great to learn on, because you can't possibly do any damage (or true correction) with foam - it will "protect" you and the paint with the illusion of correction by spreading polishing oils and waxes (but clear those off and you'll see the defects are still there). That might be fine for the beginner or someone with very soft paint. For medium to hard paint, you can't get any true correction with foam (search for pro-level threads here to see what real correction means). If you want to be sure you're getting your money's worth in true correction and high-quality protection, it means using at least microfiber pads, with professional liquids such as the Detailer or Mirror Glaze lines. Some Mirror Glaze products are updated for the Ultimate and Gold Class lines, though, so it begs the same question, while others are very unique and neutral, such as M100 and M101. MF pads will far outlast foam and will be easier to clean. Don't be fooled by the "thin" foam, either. They will be more aggressive than thick foam, and thus will do more work, but they are still foam, and will chew up over time and soak up too much product, etc. MF puts more far more rubber on the road, so to speak.Non-Garaged Daily Driver, DAMF System + M101, Carnauba Finish Enthusiast
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My head is going to explode. I wish someone could just be like go get one or the other haha because now it sounds like I need the prof stuff 105/205Comment
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Get what you posted. These are great products that work very well. These are great to learn with.Originally posted by Blackjku View Post
These are the new foam pads. Get yourself the 5" backing plate and pads.
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Originally posted by The Guz View PostGet what you posted. These are great products that work very well. These are great to learn with.
These are the new foam pads. Get yourself the 5" backing plate and pads.
http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...-Buffing-Discs
^^^ This. The Guz is right, these are very user-friendly products that are an excellent starting point for a beginner (or even a seasoned detailer).Don
12/27/2015
"Darth Camaro"
2013 Camaro ... triple black
323 hp V6, 6 speed manualComment
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