Ultimate Polish

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Ultimate Polish

Will using Black Wax first lessen the life of Ultimate Liquid Wax.

No, not at all.

So Meguiar's is still making ColorX full steam, and not that it is being fazed out in favor of Black and White wax, and it is the stores not buying it? OR, is Black and White wax just ColorX repackaged for the masses? My guess anyway.

Yes, ColorX is still being made. The difficulty with getting placement of our entire line, or even a very large part of our line, in any store chain is their shelf space. They only have so much room, and the buying public is always looking for the newest, latest, greatest thing. Hey, your iPhone5 was bleeding edge when it came out a year ago, but now you're ready to dump that piece of trash for the iPhone6 because it's so..... so.... NEW!!! Heck, when we introduced Ultimate Wash & Wax, we actually had the buyer from one autoparts chain say they wanted to carry it and asked whether we wanted them to stop carrying Gold Class or Deep Crystal wash to make room for it. Gosh, we'd rather you carry all three and dump one of our competitors car washes instead!

As for Black and White Waxes just being repackaged ColorX for the masses..... well, ColorX is for the masses. It's basically the consumer packaging of M66, which is highly regarded in the pro line. Black Wax and White Wax are vastly different - heck, White Wax even uses the same abrasives used in M101, and that product wasn't even a sparkle in our eye when ColorX came to be. As straight up cleaner waxes go, ColorX was a big leap beyond our traditional A12 Cleaner Wax, and White Wax blows both into the weeds as far as defect removal capabilities go. Don't let that jump in defect removing ability scare you off though - if you apply it with a DA buffer in the same manner that you would apply a compound, it cuts like crazy. But if you apply it by hand in a more traditional wax application manner, it's still totally safe to use on all but the thinnest, very old paint.

Is Color X that much better?

ColorX is great stuff, no doubt, but as mentioned in the comments above it is easily outclassed by the cutting ability of White Wax. On darker paints, the cut from Black Wax is not quite as great, but the polishing oil load is higher. So "better" is a relative term here as we can argue that White Wax is "better" than Black Wax in some ways, and in other ways the opposite is true.

[gypsy]

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Is Color X that much better?

[Scott's 62]

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I seen two bottles of Colorx at the Pepboys by me, sounds like I need to go back and buy them both just incase.

[Blueline]

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As for ColorX becoming difficult to find, we feel your pain. If we could dictate which products are carried at which stores we certainly would, but it's not up to us to determine this.

So Meguiar's is still making ColorX full steam, and not that it is being fazed out in favor of Black and White wax, and it is the stores not buying it? OR, is Black and White wax just ColorX repackaged for the masses? My guess anyway.

[davey g-force]

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No, not at all...

[gypsy]

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Will using Black Wax first lessen the life of Ultimate Liquid Wax.

[Michael Stoops]

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There are some rare situations where UP will act a bit finicky on some paints, but it's actually pretty rare. Our former COO had a BMW M3 that would hold on to everything like glue. Even M205 was almost impossible to remove from that car and M205 is just a dream to work with. If you are encountering a situation where UP is fighting you a bit, back off on the amount of product being used and work it thoroughly. A bit too much product run at a short cycle on certain paints can force this issue.

As for ColorX becoming difficult to find, we feel your pain. If we could dictate which products are carried at which stores we certainly would, but it's not up to us to determine this.

[Blueline]

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That's what I'm afraid of especially applying by hand, that's why I've been asking about Black Wax and Color X. Went around today to find Color X no luck my only place here is Canadian(Crappy) Tire.

It annoyed me also when ColorX became unavailable. You can still find it on line if you want to be "hosed" with shipping charges. If you cannot find Black Wax, you can use Mother's Cleaning Wax Lots of that stuff at CT or Home Hardware. It is basically the same stuff, and quite good, and you can put Meguiar's over it.

[davey g-force]

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Please elaborate!

[drumdan]

I've used my share of UP bottles, it's very user friendly IMO, great for anyone wanting to learn how to polish a car.
Very easy to remove if you don't over work it, I make four section passes only when using it.

Haven't used it in a while being my go to Polish is of the 205, I find the 205 has a longer work time, and it's superior to UP.

I'm on the DAMF kick now, love it, in fact that's the system I now use mostly in my shop.
One more thing I should mention when using the UP, don't add too much of the polish on your pad, I use 3-4 small pea size drops of it once my pad is primed.

I was just doing some experimenting with UP today and yesterday afternoon.

Put it up against 1500 sanding marks using the PC, and the blue Rupes microfiber disc.

Was not expecting the result I got..

[The Guz]

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Never had an issue using UP with a DA or by hand. The surrounding environment can play a factor when using it or any product.

[gypsy]

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That's what I'm afraid of especially applying by hand, that's why I've been asking about Black Wax and Color X. Went around today to find Color X no luck my only place here is Canadian(Crappy) Tire.

[Blueline]

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Very easy to remove if you don't over work it, I make four section passes only when using it.
One more thing I should mention when using the UP, don't add too much of the polish on your pad, I use 3-4 small pea size drops of it once my pad is primed.

I have nearly a full bottle which I was going to throw out because it was so hard to remove. While I certainly did not add too much polish, I "may" have over worked it. Perhaps I will give it one more try in the spring before getting rid it.

[LoveBlackPaint]

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I've used my share of UP bottles, it's very user friendly IMO, great for anyone wanting to learn how to polish a car.
Very easy to remove if you don't over work it, I make four section passes only when using it.

Haven't used it in a while being my go to Polish is of the 205, I find the 205 has a longer work time, and it's superior to UP.

I'm on the DAMF kick now, love it, in fact that's the system I now use mostly in my shop.
One more thing I should mention when using the UP, don't add too much of the polish on your pad, I use 3-4 small pea size drops of it once my pad is primed.

[The Guz]

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You can do that as well.