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    question from a noob..

    I saw a wash chart on auto greek site. The question is do you have to use finishing polish and then go behind it with a glaze? That is if you had compound or remove any swirls. Now if you have not did any compounding or swirl removing can you still use the finishing polish and glaze? Also will finishing polish bring a better wet look then UP then follow by the glaze? Then the wax .For a black color car. It look to me like the finishing polish and polish or about the same thing.One day it look easy to have a wet looking car then the more I read it get harder to have.So many products out that do the same thing. Or i'm just not understanding.Help please ..An thanks in advance.
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    Re: question from a noob..

    As yes, the age old detailing question: how do I get that "wet look" on my car?

    Well, it's not always just about the product. Technique is critical, whether working by hand or with a buffer of some sort. And most finishing polishes, like M205 or its consumer derivative, Ultimate Polish, tend to work best when machine applied. But let's break down the products themselves first and see if we can clear up some confusion for you.

    Finishing polishes tend to contain a very fine abrasive that will refine the surface following application of a compound that removes more severe defects. Sometimes, on some paints, a compound applied via DA buffer can leave a bit of haze and a finishing polish will remove that haze. Rotary application of a compound can often result in some holograms, and again a finishing polish will remove this rotary inflicted defect. We routinely use M205 in either situation, but often all by itself to remove very fine swirl marks on softer paints when a compound would be overkill. In such a case, we may use M205 on a polishing pad rather than a finishing pad. This gives a bit more cutting ability without going overboard.

    A glaze, also known as a pure polish, is really just a beauty treatment for the paint - a gloss enhancer. These tend to work best on darker colors, or on single stage paints. With the advent of more modern finishing polishes, like M205, there is less need for pure polishes these days. We often find that a properly applied finishing polish can do amazing things for both the gloss and the clarity of the paint. On metallics and pearls it's just crazy how it makes the flake "pop".

    The really tricky part of this whole thing is that not all paint systems are created equal, and there is no one single product that's perfect for every car, for every application process, for every user. In light of that, what kind of car are you working on, what's the current condition of the paint, what tools do you have available to work with, and what sort of experience do you have working with a buffer? With that info we can better help steer you toward a process that will get you as close to your goals as possible.
    Michael Stoops
    Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

    Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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    • #3
      Re: question from a noob..

      The car is a 2013 Kia Optima Hybrid LX..Color call Aurora Black.Condition of paint is great..no swrils(hope to keep it that way).Look like I have a few bugs etch on hood above the bumper. Hope when I wash it in the coming days a little bug and tar remover will get it off. Plan on in July to go full detail on it. Building up arsenal of supplies now.An reading everything I can to reach that wet effort. I have a Ryobi 10 inch orbital buffer (father in law give me) and a 6 inch buffer/polisher (son left it behind) but I have no buffer experience. But I feel that 1 day I will have swirls and will need a DA buffer.So planning to get 1 also. The plan of attack is UWW ,Clay it, don't know yet which 1 stuck after this point with which polish ,glaze,I know I will have to use a wax that help dark color cars. Meguiars Gold Class Carnauba Plus Premium Paste Wax or Meguiars Mirror Glaze #26 Hi-Tech Paste Car Wax .Just have not made my mind up yet. Then will keep it looking right with GC Q/D and GC Q/W. Mike and any1 else who help me to reach this goal I thanks you all a lot.If there is a way to reach this without some many products please let me know.An I want to use as less the amount of hand power as I can.I will post pic of it .You can pm with any suggestion or layout of what you will do and I will pick 1 and follow it.THANKS AGAIN ALL.Form the NOOB.

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      • #4
        Re: question from a noob..

        If it truly has no swirls, I would wash, clay, M205, wax.

        That should give you an outstanding wet shine
        Originally posted by Blueline
        I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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        • #5
          Re: question from a noob..

          Originally posted by davey g-force View Post
          If it truly has no swirls, I would wash, clay, M205, wax.

          That should give you an outstanding wet shine
          99 Grand Prix
          02 Camaro SS

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          • #6
            Re: question from a noob..

            with M205 if I do have some swirls it will remove them.An by using M205 I would not have to use UP?I hope I'm right..going to look over car in the bright sunshine to see if it's still swirl free..let's hope so it is.An do you have to use a buffer to apply M205? If so can you remove it with a buffer also.Which pads would I also use to apply and remove?

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            • #7
              Re: question from a noob..

              M205 has more correction ability than UP. UP has correction ability but it also offers more polishing oils. UP is actually derived from M205. So to answer your question is use either one and not both. I can't comment on what type of correction you will get with the buffers you have since I use a DA polisher. When you use a polish you apply it to one panel at a time and remove. You don't want to let it dry on the paint. For example when I use M205 or UP with a DA on a specific panel (ie a fender), I remove it with a supreme shine microfiber towel.
              99 Grand Prix
              02 Camaro SS

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              • #8
                Re: question from a noob..

                I will have to get a DA polisher to use the M205 and to do any correction because a orbital buffer will not do any correction to paint.

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                • #9
                  Re: question from a noob..

                  ^^ That's correct.
                  Originally posted by Blueline
                  I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                  • #10
                    Re: question from a noob..

                    You will be glad you got a DA once you see the end results.
                    99 Grand Prix
                    02 Camaro SS

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                    • #11
                      Re: question from a noob..

                      Well I looked BEN(car nickname) over and the monster got me .(Swirls and little fine line scratches).I guess now it a DA must.I understand that I can still use the same product as before because they remove swirls .(wash, clay, M205, wax)

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                      • #12
                        Re: question from a noob..

                        Don't know how bad it is and how correctable your paint is, but it is always nice to have M105/UC as a part of your arsenal.
                        2012 Acura CBP TL SH-AWD Tech

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                        • #13
                          Re: question from a noob..

                          Yeah, while M205 can do some swirl removal, you usually need UC or M105.

                          Try the M205 first and see how that goes...
                          Originally posted by Blueline
                          I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                          • #14
                            Re: question from a noob..

                            I'm with these guys. If these are heavy defects then UC or M105 would be the way to go. If they are light to moderate then M205 can work. Post some pics and we can help you out even more.

                            I do agree to try out M205 first.
                            99 Grand Prix
                            02 Camaro SS

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                            • #15
                              Re: question from a noob..

                              I will post some pic and I will try the M205 1st. What is the best way to tell what type of paint you have?(soft or hard)

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