Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

[Top Gear]

Re: Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

You're assuming, then, that all synthetic ingredients are the same, right?

No, not at all. I'm assuming that Meguiar's has created a wide array of different and frequently changing blends using the wonders of advanced chemistry. I did not say all Meg's waxes are the same, but that they are all either synthetic wax blends or synthetic wax blends with carnauba. In short, I do not see a 100% carnauba-only product on your website. This is not a criticism. My amazement at Gold Class in particular is that it is such an advanced blend, a "best of both worlds" approach, but I certainly have never thought it was simply Ultimate or anything else with carnauba added.

I also said that Gold Class will last, for me anyway, as long as anything else you sell. I did not say that carnauba oil alone lasts as long as a synthetic wax, because it does not. I've also used various synwaxes that washed off in a couple of weeks. The bogus myths, to me, are about Gold Class/M26, not carnauba. People right here on these forums assume that Gold Class/M26 are not going to last more than a few days because they are "carnauba waxes", as they put it, so they choose Ultimate, NXT, or others, because they assume those will last longer. Yet, I've never seen a real world comparison that proves the synthetic aspects of Gold Class/M26 do not last, near enough as to make no difference, as long as any straight synthetic. However, my argument has been very clear that regardless of how long these waxes last, we will be boosting them one way or another long before, if we do very simple things like using a wash-n-wax soap or a quik product.

[Top Gear]

Re: Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

Thanks, paests. You had a reasonable idea in theory. My suggestion is to use the two bottles you have on different areas or two different cars or whatever and see how you like them.

One tip I learned here is to match your quik wax line to the same line or type as the hand/DA wax, so that you are boosting your main wax with the same thing, or close enough. For example, I use Gold Class Liquid Wax. So, to maintain and boost Gold Class (or M26 Yellow Wax) on frequent basis, I use Gold Class Quik Detailer and Gold Class Quick Wax. Over a year after my DA correction, I can still enjoy the velvety smooth feel of a fresh carnauba-rich waxed surface.

This is one reason why it is totally meaningless when some people talk about how long their fav wax lasts over another. All wax will lass plenty long enough to allow us to normally use a wash-n-wax, quik detailer or quik wax product, or all of them, LONG before that wax would even begin to fade - at least we should be using such products. Beading alone is not a good indicator, and no wax ever made will be truly useful after only a few of weeks of real world sun, wind, rain, washing, and so that wax must be boosted or maintained, somehow. This is why quik detailer and quik wax are so brilliant

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

Well, M26 is not a Quik Wax (as the OP was asking about), but is the blended (ie. Hi-Tech) Yellow Wax (ie. with carnauba) on which Gold Class Liquid/Paste/Quik Wax is based. GC 2.0 is more advanced than M26, I've read somewhere here, due to its newer ingredient blends. IMO, the only reason to choose M26 over GC is if you're buying volume and doing a LOT of cars professionally. Otherwise, all waxes and quik waxes I'm aware of from Meg's are either synwaxes or synwax/carnauba blends. Ergo, GC Liquid, Paste, and Quik Waxes are all hybrids. GC products last every bit as long as UW/NXT, despite the bogus myths.

Interesting: The MYTHS of Carnauba wax

You're assuming, then, that all synthetic ingredients are the same, right? There is no doubt that the long chain polymers used in "purely synthetic" waxes like NXT and Ultimate are very different from any synthetic ingredient used in Gold Class or M26. Different like night and day. It's almost like saying "all tires are the same because they use some percentage of natural rubber and a bunch of synthetic materials in their tread compound". On the face of it, that's true (some natural rubber and a whole recipe of "other") but in reality there are enormous differences in tire performance and it's not just because of the percentage mix of ingredients - it's the actual ingredients used and how they behave.

Synthetic polymers encompass an enormous range of possibilities, and that's the beauty of them. They are totally man made and as such we have complete control over their characteristics because they are designed in. While it is indeed true that all carnauba waxes are hybrids of some sort, just what those other ingredients are can play a huge role in user experience, durability, gloss, etc. There is no "bogus myth" about synthetics lasting longer than carnaubas - it's fact, based on the very unique ingredients used in full synthetic products. Is it possible to take a product like Ultimate Wax and add some carnauba to it and call it a hybrid? Sure. But that's definitely not what's happening with our carnauba waxes.

[The Guz]

Re: Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

Well, M26 is not a Quik Wax (as the OP was asking about), but is the blended (ie. Hi-Tech) Yellow Wax (ie. with carnauba) on which Gold Class Liquid/Paste/Quik Wax is based. GC 2.0 is more advanced than M26, I've read somewhere here, due to its newer ingredient blends. IMO, the only reason to choose M26 over GC is if you're buying volume and doing a LOT of cars professionally. Otherwise, all waxes and quik waxes I'm aware of from Meg's are either synwaxes or synwax/carnauba blends. Ergo, GC Liquid, Paste, and Quik Waxes are all hybrids. GC products last every bit as long as UW/NXT, despite the bogus myths.

Interesting: The MYTHS of Carnauba wax

M26 is available in a 16 oz bottle. GC may or may not last longer than M26. M26 offers the highest D.O.I (distinction of image). I disagree on GC out lasting UW by itself without any maintenance products. NXT maybe. You are correct that carnanuba's are not 100% carnauba. I'm not arguing with that.

Anyway that is off topic.

Back to the topic on hand.

[paests]

Re: Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

Thanks for your inputs! Ill scrap the idea then. Thanks also for debunking the myth of carnauba vs synthetic durability Top Gear!

[Top Gear]

Re: Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

Well, M26 is not a Quik Wax (as the OP was asking about), but is the blended (ie. Hi-Tech) Yellow Wax (ie. with carnauba) on which Gold Class Liquid/Paste/Quik Wax is based. GC 2.0 is more advanced than M26, I've read somewhere here, due to its newer ingredient blends. IMO, the only reason to choose M26 over GC is if you're buying volume and doing a LOT of cars professionally. Otherwise, all waxes and quik waxes I'm aware of from Meg's are either synwaxes or synwax/carnauba blends. Ergo, GC Liquid, Paste, and Quik Waxes are all hybrids. GC products last every bit as long as UW/NXT, despite the bogus myths.

Interesting: The MYTHS of Carnauba wax

[The Guz]

Re: Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

I prefer to use the products as they were intended. You could try to mix a small portion but I see it as a waste of product. As stated above there are hybrid waxes available such as M26 which would give you the look you are trying t achieve.

[Top Gear]

Re: Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

Mixing might even ruin what you seek to gain out of either product. Despite the enduring proliferation of the underlying myth (synwax vs carnauba blends), I doubt very seriously that Ultimate QW or regular wax will last one minute longer than Gold Class QW or regular wax in the same exact circumstances. Just use the QW matching your hand/DA wax work to extend your wax job indefinitely. By the time either QW version would have worn off, you will have long re-applied it anyway, just as you will be applying QW long before any hand/DA wax begins to wear off. Also, remember that the Gold Class and #M26 products are not pure carnauba alone, but are synthetic blends using carnauba. While some of the properties of the carnauba might seem to wear off faster than synwax, the synthetics making up the rest of Gold Class/M26 will last as long as anything you're comparing. Still, the myth endures...

[C8N]

Re: Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

There are hybrid waxes out there.
Mix a small portion and let us know how it works out.

[paests]

Re: Ultimate Quik Wax MIXED with Gold Class Quik Wax

(By mixing I mean blending both products in one bottle)

[paests]

Just curious, has anyone ever thought of mixing these two products for a "best of both worlds" spray wax that combines carnauba depth with synthetic durability?

I am thinking of doing so but would like some thoughts before I potentially waste these products!

Cheers
Hai