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  • #1

    Will These Suffice

    Another newbie going to take a shot at the rotary. I bought myself a cheap canadian tire special Simoniz rotary, a clay bar kit and some maguiar's heavy cut, fine cut, and yellow wax. I've been reading on here that the process of choice is to run a 105, 205, then wax. As selection in our town is slim, will the products I brought home suffice, and give me a nice finish? Also, what pads should I be using with each product? And if I manage to find the nice maguiar's pads, will they stick to the backing plate that came with my rotary?

    Thanks in advance. I am very excited to get started into proper paint care. I have been extremely interested for a long time
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    Re: Will These Suffice

    If you are planning paint correction, I don't think you are going to have much success with a cheap rotary. I am assuming you have a random orbital polisher.

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      to MOL!

      The best thing to do is to find out by doing a small 2'x2' test spot. If the results are up to your expectations then it should be good enough right? Please keep in mind that the polishes you have are using the DAT (Diminishing Abrasive Technology) which means you have to work the polish until it's broken down. The M105/M205 are using SMAT (Super Micro Abrasive Technology)

      I would suggest using the new Meguiar's softbuff 2.0 pads with the products you have. I will use the W8207 Softbuff 2.0 Polishing pads with the M04 Heavy Cut Cleaner and use a W9207 Softbuff 2.0 Finishing pads for the M02 Fine Cut Cleaner and M26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax. What backing plate came with your rotary? For the Softbuff 2.0 pads, you need to get the W68 backing plate for your rotary for maximum results.
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      • #4
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        Thanks guys. Yes I do have an orbital. I understand the dat. How does the smat work in comparison? Does one render significantly better results than the other? I think I will take you advice and search for the softbuff pads and backing plate. I was planning on applying the yellow wax with my orbital, which came with some terry cloth type covers and a foam pad. Would either of those work for applying the wax?

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        • #5
          Re: Will These Suffice

          With the DAT products, you have to have enough power to break down the product.

          The SMAT is just micro-abrasives from the start, so they just need worked around the surface. More power is nice, but people have had more success using the SMAT products with the cheaper buffers. Ult. Compound, and SwirlX/Ult. Polish would also be good options, if not better, and may be easier to find.

          Its hard to say with what comes with those buffers, some are good, some are quite scratchy, esp terry. I'm not as familiar with the options for the orbital polishers, but I dont know if the Soft Buff type pads will attach right.
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          • #6
            Re: Will These Suffice

            That's is great info, thanks a lot!!! I will look for those ultimate products as I believe I saw them around yesterday.

            Do you normally wax with a rotary?

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            • #7
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              I do a bit of both (hand or DA Polisher).

              You may want to start practicing calling your machine an orbital buffer. What is commonly called a 'rotary' is very different.
              2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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              • #8
                Re: Will These Suffice

                I appologise for the confusion. I am going to be doing the cutting and polishing with my new rotary. I also have an orbital I am planning on using to apply the wax, if I can find a suitable pad for my particular orbital

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                • #9
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                  I just took a look at those ultimate products and they say for use by hand or a da. Since I'm going to have at it with a rotary I guess I'm back to looking for 105 and 205

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                  • #10
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                    Oh, ok. In that case then, you wouldnt usually apply wax with a rotary, though I am sure some people do.

                    And to go with my above comments, the UC/SwirlX wont be meant for rotary use (though again, I am sure some people have...).
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                    • #11
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                      Alright, I think we're back on track. Sorry for making that confusing. I am going to find some 105 and 205 (probably have to special order it, along with the softbuffer pads and back plate. The only thing I have to figure out is what kinda pad I can throw on my orbital that won't cause me troubles. Thanks again for the help guys. This site rocks

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                      • #12
                        Re: Will These Suffice

                        Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
                        With the DAT products, you have to have enough power to break down the product.

                        The SMAT is just micro-abrasives from the start, so they just need worked around the surface. More power is nice, but people have had more success using the SMAT products with the cheaper buffers. Ult. Compound, and SwirlX/Ult. Polish would also be good options, if not better, and may be easier to find.

                        Its hard to say with what comes with those buffers, some are good, some are quite scratchy, esp terry. I'm not as familiar with the options for the orbital polishers, but I dont know if the Soft Buff type pads will attach right.
                        Wait...Not all my confusion is gone. In this post you were assuming I would be using an orbital. In your oppinion would my cheap rotary have enough juice to make these dat polishes work their magic? Or would I still be better off trying to find the 105 and 205? If I am understanding the difference it sounds like they will render similar results, but the polishes I purchased will take longer to work until they break down. correct?

                        If my cheap rotary will work these polishes hard enough I would just as soon use the 205 is quite a bit more costly, and probably more again since I will have to special order them. Mind you I am sure I will have to special order the pads anyways. The only pads I found so far were 8" and good old Lordco wants $35/ pad. It looks like the softbuffer pads only come in 7" but they are $15 on this site, much more managable.

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                        • #13
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                          Without knowing the full specs on your rotary it's hard to say exactly what it's capable of. Our biggest fear, to be honest, is that it won't spin slow enough and that you'll be overly aggressive with it. We've seen some cheap units that won't go slower than 1500 and run up to 3000 rpm or more. You can get crazy levels of cut with a tool like that, but getting a really nice finish will be tough - especially for a new user - since higher speeds can easily create some buffer swirls. Heavy Cut Cleaner is pretty aggressive stuff in it's own right, and it uses a fairly coarse diminishing abrasive so just be prepared to have some light marring to deal with even after you're removed the original defects you're planning on removing. Fine Cut should finish off nicely with either a foam polishing or finishing pad, and hopefully your buffer will let you spin those pads at speeds as low as 1000 rpm, which will really help you out.

                          By the way, just what is it you're working on and what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
                          Michael Stoops
                          Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                          Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                          • #14
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                            Awesome michael, thanks for the response. I just did some test polish with the terry cloth pads that came with the polisher. The polisher is advertised as running 600-3000rpm. The machine is extremely underpowered (go figure) so spinning too fast wasn't an issue. Am am very happy with the results of the polish!!! It cleaned up some extreme oxidation. I even keyed the test truck quite deep and I was able to almost completely get rid of it. The finish was not quite as smooth as I would like, but I was using a terry cloth pad and haven't studied my techniques as much as I should, not to mention the inconstintent rpms of the polisher.

                            The actual vehicles I will be polishing are a 2010 VW Jetta and a 2006 Dodge 3500. Both black.

                            The Jettais an ex-lease and has some nasty scratches down to the primer I hope to atleast fade over. The dodge's paint is mettalic so we'll see how that goes.

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                            • #15
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                              I should mention also. There are a few deep scratches I will be trying to take care of with the heavy cut. Then I will be going over the rest of the vehicles with the light cut to work some nasty swirl marks and such. I hope to make these paint jobs look as good as possible

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