Couple questions

[J4o2el7]

So about to buy some new stuff/toys. I have the Megs D/A & the MF system, but I want to add something less aggresive to the stock. Thinking about going with the 105/205, So i use the 105, would it serve a purpose to use, say Ult. Polish then 205? If I understand correctly the 205 is a polish and a refining process. SO would it serve any purpose doing another POLISH before the 205?

I have Ult. Compound and Ult. Polish, but i heard that the 105/205 combo works a bit better? what are your thoughts on this? I think I saw a thread about this before, but didnt find it, so jsut want a refresher.

Also like I said i have the MF sytem, but i know we want to start least aggressive. So I guess from the pros around here what do you think? I want to place my order tomorrow or by end of the week. So let the info go please.

Thanks
Joel

[Garage Troll]

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Joel,

105 itself is pretty darn aggressive. Kind of like a bit of a step up from UC. If you have the MF D/A kit and UC and UP, you may not necessarily need it. It may be kind of redundant. However, I don't want to talk you out of buying new toys

As far as process goes, you may want to go: 105, 205, 7 then your choice of LSP. UP provides less "cut" than 205 and would probably be more beneficial after 205. It has more polishing oils and is a fantastic pre-waxing glaze. You could, if you felt so inclined, follow 205 with your UP instead of 7. Am I confusing you yet? :P

Something that I really like that you may want to try instead of the 105 & 205 combination is D151. It's an all in one cleaner wax that is pretty aggressive but not to the level of you UC. That would give you a nice lineup from really aggressive (D/A MF kit) to moderately aggressive (UC) then down to a nice AIO for quick touch ups (D151). Just a thought.

[Murr1525]

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Anything with a DA, I would try UC before #105.

[J4o2el7]

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Sounds good, just heard from everybody saying that the results from 105 and 205 are great, but if I can get almost the same from uc and up that will satify my needs, I don't do many cars or trucks, but just looking for the best results that I can get. So if not needed I won't go there.

So another question, after the 301 or the uc the up will give some more depth before the lsp right? I love doing darker cars or trucks and making them look like they are dripping wet, so I just want to know what will work really well and give the best results. I know every paint is different but I just want to get the deepest color as possible.

[Murr1525]

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UC then #205 can also be used...

There are lots of combos, techniques, paint types.. cant just say one is best for sure, but can have a trend for what to try first.

UP would have more of the polishing oils, #205 a little more cleaning ability for marring, minor swirls. So, yeah, if all looked good, or minor marring, UP should look best.

[Michael Stoops]

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So many people rave about M105 because it is great stuff, no doubt about it. But for the vast majority of cases where fairly typical swirl marks exist, it's overkill. In fact, M105 is our single most aggressive compound, so we have to admit to finding at least a tiny bit of humor in you mentioning it when considering stepping down in aggressiveness. We hope you can forgive us for that... please????

M105 was initially developed as a rotary only compound, targeting primarily fresh paint in a body shop environment but also suitable for heavy defect correction on cured paint. The detailing enthusiast community being what it is, someone had to give it a go on a DA, and word spread that it cuts like mad but can still yield a surprisingly nice finish. But complaints about the amount of dust it produced quickly escalated, and we tweaked the formula a bit to make it a little more DA friendly. We could only go so far in this tweaking, however, without adversely impacting its ability to do its primary task.

Ultimate Compound is derived from M105 and the cut provided by UC far exceeds many of our other Mirror Glaze pro line products, but in a formulation that is much more user friendly on a DA - much longer buffing cycle than M105, almost no dust at all, plenty of cut and still a very nice finish.

Now, as for M205 vs Ultimate Polish, again there's a connection with these two - UP is derived from M205 but it is skewed toward the polishing oils side while M205 has a bit more abrasive to it. But don't read too much into that. M205 is a very fine finishing polish with highly specialized abrasives that will add a lot of clarity to the paint when used between your defect removal step and LSP. On a modern clear coat, especially with metallic paint, M205 on a foam finishing pad can do truly wonderful things for the appearance. Whether you're running it at speed 3 to 4 on a DA or at 1,000 rpm or less on a rotary, the gloss and clarity improvements can be quite remarkable. And for a light duty maintenance product, spin it on a foam polishing pad with a bit more speed and pressure and you might be pleasantly surprised at the amount of defect removal you can achieve with it.

[J4o2el7]

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Thanks guys, yeah, need to think before speaking... I knew that 105 is pretty aggressive, just had some blinders on by everything i had been reading, 105/205 will not be added to my stuff. I will look at some other things to play with, any suggestions on getting some extra depth? Just the polish after the compounding??

[Michael Stoops]

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For extra depth and clarity it's really hard to beat M205.

[Selectchoice]

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For extra depth and clarity it's really hard to beat M205.

Agreed. When I started using M205 I was using a DA with a polishing pad. Loved the result and didnt think it could be improved at all. The following detail on that car, I used M205 on a finishing pad with the speed so low and the pressure level on the pad almost none. I was nearly knocked over at the result. Such depth and clarity it was almost unbelievable.

M205 is a versatile product that can really create an awesome result in various ways. Thoroughly recommended!

[J4o2el7]

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Thanks for clearing that up for me! So i know this might sound redundant, but since the UP does have more oils, would going over with UP and then the M205 make much difference, of just defeat the purpose ?

[Murr1525]

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You would want more oils last, so UP last.

But they are so close, you are pretty much repeating yourself.