Speed 6 ??

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Speed 6 ??

You should think of Speed 6 as a reserve setting. Prolonged use of speed 6, especially with a lot of pressure or with a cutting pad, will generate a lot of heat where the pad meets the backing plate. This heat can and will break down the adhesive holding the hook & loop to the foam pad, and sometimes even the foam itself if used long enough and with enough pressure. Remember, on a random orbital tool like the DA the pad is always changing direction, so the tool is basically trying to throw the pad off. This violent action on the hook & look can and does create a lot of heat, which is why we don't recommend it. We've seen plenty of cases of pad failure - and not just our pads, but our competitors as well - when used this way.

But there are times when the extra oomph of speed 6 can come in handy. Those occasional bird drop etchings that are just really tough to get out, especially on harder paints. Heck, sometimes even a brief run with a foam cutting pad can help here too. We don't recommend speed 6, nor do we recommend our cutting pad with the DA. But that doesn't mean "you can never use" either.

Don't let them become a crutch in lieu of proper technique. That's just getting downright sloppy. It's amazing what you can accomplish with proper technique on a DA - whether that's when working on harder paints, correcting severe defects, or just keeping the pad rotating while buffing on curved body panels. Technique is king; falling back on more aggressive methods to accomplish the task is just bad form. If that's how you tackle everything, what do you do in those tough cases when you're already maxed out?

[SVT Lightning]

Re: Speed 6 ??

Mark!

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Speed 6 ??

I don't drink and drive. Drinking and driving can create a load of problems. When I use speed 6, I am removing more severe defects. I even use a 4'' light cutting pad for maximum pressure per square inch, as well as maximum Oscillation/rotation.

Your drinking and driving analogy is irrelevant, because when I use speed 6, I am actually accomplishing defect removal. What do you accomplish when drinking and driving?

I don't use the microfiber pad system, and am not planning to in the near future, so no problem there. There is no mention of "polish" in this thread, so, unless you're referring to a specific polish, (cleaner or compound in Meguiars terminology) you're just theorizing, which is ok, you can disagree with someone, which again is ok, but do it tactfully, please.

I've been doing this for over 20 years, yet you insinuate that my skill level is on par with "drinking and driving"?




Have a nice day.

For starters, Jim, I never said nor implied you drink and drive. I made an example that was clearly done with a bit of humor but intentionally extreme to make a point. There was nothing wrong with my FACTUAL explanation of what speeds to use, nor anything else I wrote.

Conversely, your response is a borderline personal attack (which we do not allow here on MOL), and also continues to push a technique that is simply not recommended by Meguiar's. No one is attacking you (especially myself), so there is no need to have such a sharp-tongued response.

You charged me with theorizing, but my advice is based on the teachings of Meguiar's, found on products labels and in classrooms. Your advice is based on what is a comparatively (your personal experience vs that of all Meguiar's testing and development) limited experience. The bottom line is the original poster clearly is quite new to the art of automotive detailing, so we much rather prefer sticking to proven methods over personal techniques.

I am not equivocally saying speed 6 will not work, nor am I saying you are "wrong," but for the purpose of the information being sought by the OP, it is best to stick to speed 5, use a different product than #4 (Yes, no "polish" was mentioned, but likewise no product that would work with a DA was either, so obviously something else is necessary) and a pad that is approved for DA use.

By all means feel free to share your experiences and continue to use the products as you find them best for yourself, but when new users are in need of guidance we would prefer to stick to sound, proven, basic methods before moving into advanced technique.

Also, FWIW, speed 6 can cause premature pad failure - even on non-microfiber pads.

[wifpd4]

Re: Speed 6 ??

Speed 6 works great for spin drying your pads after washing them!

and turning pads into frisbees, although accuracy is a problem

[SVT Lightning]

Re: Speed 6 ??

Speed 6 works great for spin drying your pads after washing them!

[SunnyD]

Re: Speed 6 ??

intresting thread ive started here well i wont be using speed 6 but i think im still going to use the cutting pad on my g110 but only if i really need to go that far to remove the damage and also cause i paid $20 for it and dont have a rotory to use it with lol

[Jim Bob]

Re: Speed 6 ??

a long period of time.

I think that is a key point. Too high a speed, with too much downward pressure, for too long of a period can and will overheat a foam pad. It also depends upon what polish is being used. I used to use XMT 5-6 years ago, and never had any problems with overheating my pads. Lately, I have been using The Menzerna line of polishes. Menzerna is designed to be used with both Rotary and random orbit polishing machines, although we all know that a random orbit will only correct so much.

Like I said, there are an awful lot of variables.

[OldSchoolDude]

Re: Speed 6 ??

I have been using a rotary for over 30 years, it's what I grew up using.
When I use my rotary I use a product made for using a rotary which aids in the product from dry out.
Now I use my PC, total different ball game here, mostly because I use foam pads instead of wool.
I've seen pics of pads and backing plates completely wore out from using too high of a setting for a long period of time.
When I correct paint I'm not looking for speed but instead good results.
Speed 4-5 works best for me, if 6 works for others and have no problems than I say use it.
Just not for me in paint correction.

[Jim Bob]

Re: Speed 6 ??


I don't drink and drive. Drinking and driving can create a load of problems. When I use speed 6, I am removing more severe defects. I even use a 4'' light cutting pad for maximum pressure per square inch, as well as maximum Oscillation/rotation.

Your drinking and driving analogy is irrelevant, because when I use speed 6, I am actually accomplishing defect removal. What do you accomplish when drinking and driving?

I don't use the microfiber pad system, and am not planning to in the near future, so no problem there. There is no mention of "polish" in this thread, so, unless you're referring to a specific polish, (cleaner or compound in Meguiars terminology) you're just theorizing, which is ok, you can disagree with someone, which again is ok, but do it tactfully, please.

I've been doing this for over 20 years, yet you insinuate that my skill level is on par with "drinking and driving"?




Have a nice day.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Speed 6 ??

I've used speed 6 on my PC with no ill effects.

As have many of us - myself included - but that doesn't mean it is recommended. Many people have gone drinking and driving without ill effects, for example, but I still don't recommend it!

Especially with the microfiber pads it actually will produce less favorable results and even ruin the pads. Meguiar's (who designed the G110 and G110v2, as well as the pads and polishes in question) did not design them to be used at speed 6... so I highly recommend sticking to the directions coming from the creators of the products for best results.

[Jim Bob]

Re: Speed 6 ??

it gives you less work time being it dries the product too fast.

There's a lot of variables here. I've had great results using speeds 5-6, along with moderate downward pressure. Whether or not the product dries too fast, I remove moderate defects in less time, versus using speeds 4-5 with less downward pressure.

If you have problems with product drying out with a PC, whats going to happen when you use a rotary? I'm sure you are aware that a rotary generates much more friction than a PC right? Friction = heat.

If you're having problems with product drying out, you may want to adjust your technique. I have never, ever had a backing plate lose it's grip.

Like a said, there are an awful lot of variables involved when polishing paint.

[OldSchoolDude]

Re: Speed 6 ??

It will work yes, but as I said, it gives you less work time being it dries the product too fast.

[Jim Bob]

Re: Speed 6 ??


I've used speed 6 on my PC with no ill effects.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Speed 6 ??

In addition to the fact that you shouldn't be using speed 6, you also should not be using a maroon cutting pad with a dual-action buffer.

Stick to speed 5 and the yellow polishing pad, or switch to the microfiber cutting pad for the DA for heavier defects.

[SunnyD]

Re: Speed 6 ??

ok thanks i was just wondering because the pad is a cutting pad and more thick so i thought it might work guess not