Something Stronger?

[StayinClean]

I have used the Ultimate Compound to get some water spots out of my paint on a black car using a rotary polisher with a foam pad... but i still have some spots still in the paint, the spot were extremely bad, is there something a little better than UC... even tho that stuff was great, i would recommend it to anyone

[greg0303]

Re: Something Stronger?

Sorry, but Ultimate Compound was formulated to work with DA polishers, orbital machines or hand application.

For rotary polisher you could go with M84, M85, M95 or M105. I put them in the order of least aggressive to most aggressive.

[Murr1525]

Re: Something Stronger?

You can try #105.

But a rotary and #105 is a pretty strong combo, be sure you are well practiced.

[HCAD]

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But a rotary and #105 is a pretty strong combo, be sure you are well practiced.

I agree, that would be the last one I'd try with a pure rotary for sure unless you are a veteran with the machine. It would be a great one for one of the orbital machines out there though.

Since you're probably not able to go out and buy a new orbital machine or all four of the above suggested products. You'll have to make a decision or two. Do you have any nearby buddies with any detailing equiptment or product?

[StayinClean]

Re: Something Stronger?

Sorry, but Ultimate Compound was formulated to work with DA polishers, orbital machines or hand application.

For rotary polisher you could go with M84, M85, M95 or M105. I put them in the order of least aggressive to most aggressive.

the UC cut pretty good with the rotary, got almost all the water spots, with the exception of some spots on my trunk and hood... also worked good on get the water spots off of the glass!

[StayinClean]

Re: Something Stronger?

I agree, that would be the last one I'd try with a pure rotary for sure unless you are a veteran with the machine. It would be a great one for one of the orbital machines out there though.

Since you're probably not able to go out and buy a new orbital machine or all four of the above suggested products. You'll have to make a decision or two. Do you have any nearby buddies with any detailing equiptment or product?

i am a rookie with the rotary and left no swirls at all with the UC and i used alot of presure at times so... is the 105 extremely stronger?

[HCAD]

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i am a rookie with the rotary and left no swirls at all with the UC and i used alot of presure at times so... is the 105 extremely stronger?

#105 is stronger, not 100% stronger or anything wild like that, but definitely stronger. In the right hands it's a great product. But I wouldn't be so confident in your ability to handle the rotary just yet if you say you're a rookie. That's a machine that should be respected. It can get away from you and do serious damage in a blink of an eye. With that, I don't want to sound like I'm saying you can't do it. Who knows, you may be a natural.

One afterthought. Have you inspected the area you buffed outside in full sun? It's very easy to polish under shade or indoors under florescent lights and think you have a perfect finish only to find buffer trails under direct sunlight.

Which polisher do you have? What pad are you using? Maybe you can try a cutting pad before you move up to #105 (if you didn't already).

[dc2_]

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why do u guys say uc wont work with rotary? i know its not meant to be used with a rotary but a buddy of mine had been using a rotary for 6 yrs now and hes done 2 cars from my family with uc n a rotary and the results came out amazing without swirls,no buffer trails.we also used it after wetsanding my car

[greg0303]

Re: Something Stronger?

why do u guys say uc wont work with rotary? i know its not meant to be used with a rotary but a buddy of mine had been using a rotary for 6 yrs now and hes done 2 cars from my family with uc n a rotary and the results came out amazing without swirls,no buffer trails.we also used it after wetsanding my car

Chemists formulate products different way to work with different type of car polishers. It's the mechanical action difference between circular motion of rotary buffers and random orbital motion of DA polishers.

Can UC be used with rotary buffers? Why not.
Is it an optimal product for roatary buffers? No.
Can you get its maximum ability with rotary buffers? No.
Can you get good results with it on rotary polishers? Yes.

In my opinion it's better to use a product which was specifically formulated for certain type of mechanical action of car polisher.

Car detailing is like a system: product, pad, machine, technique. To get the maximum results (which I believe we are all for) we have to match it right. Therefore I would rather go with the right product for the right machine type knowing that I get the maximum results.

[StayinClean]

Re: Something Stronger?

#105 is stronger, not 100% stronger or anything wild like that, but definitely stronger. In the right hands it's a great product. But I wouldn't be so confident in your ability to handle the rotary just yet if you say you're a rookie. That's a machine that should be respected. It can get away from you and do serious damage in a blink of an eye. With that, I don't want to sound like I'm saying you can't do it. Who knows, you may be a natural.

One afterthought. Have you inspected the area you buffed outside in full sun? It's very easy to polish under shade or indoors under florescent lights and think you have a perfect finish only to find buffer trails under direct sunlight.

Which polisher do you have? What pad are you using? Maybe you can try a cutting pad before you move up to #105 (if you didn't already).

yes, i did the UC to the car back in like october when it was still warm so ive seen it the sun countless times. the car was bought as a project car, but i have been driving it alot lately. so i just want it to look as good as possible until i get around to getting it painted.

and as far as the polisher its a little cheap one i got just for the job, with the generic foam pad that came with it

http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-variable-speed-polisher-sander-92623.html

[StayinClean]

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didnt want to pay 250+ experimenting with paint correction would rather just save that amount to add for a new paint job

[HCAD]

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didnt want to pay 250+ experimenting with paint correction would rather just save that amount to add for a new paint job

Good choice.

Maybe you could buy some more pads? It wouldn't be as expensive and you could continue to practice with the rotary. You'll notice a considerable difference between a cutting pad and the generic pad that came with the rotary. Don't forget to order a medium polishing pad and a final polishing pad too.

[StayinClean]

Re: Something Stronger?

does anyone know a product i can use to shine a vinyl convertible top? the top is in almost new condition its just dry looking

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Something Stronger?

Water spots can etch very deeply into the paint and can be quite difficult to remove. The use of UC on a rotary, while not technically recommended by Meguiar's, has been shown to be quite effective by a number of users. But because of the formulation and design parameters of the product we can't officially recommend it for consistently repeatable results when used with a rotary.

If you need to step up in aggression, then M105 would be recommended - first on the same foam pad as used with the UC (assuming that was the W8xxx series) and experiment a bit with tool speed. If needed, step up to a foam cutting pad or wool pad, as conditions dictate.

As to the question about what to use on a vinyl convertible top, we would suggest Ultimate Protectant after a thorough cleaning. Apply it thoroughly but very sparingly - a little goes a long way with UP! While you could use product like Natural Shine, M40 or Hyper Dressing, they are water based and will likely wash off when the top gets wet, potentially streaking down the side of the vehicle. Ultimate Protectant, while still water based, contains special polymers that allow it to bond to a vinyl surface much like a sealant bonds to paint.