M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

[RGP]

I'd really appreciate your input regarding the use of these three products when G110v2 applied with a W9207 pad.

The intent will be for "jeweling" and removal of only the tiniest of faint, occasional, hairline paint defects as well as final gloss enhancement. Something that one might perhaps use a couple times annually as a touch up and maintenance product.

For comparative purposes, the assumption is that all variables of pad, speed, pressure and time are identical.

My interest is in using the mildest possible product suitable. That is to say, the least intrusive product for the clearcoat, but also that product which produces the ultimate in gloss and clarity prior to my LSP.

Thanks as always!

[searle]

Re: M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

ColorX is a wax that also has some mild cleaner and some polish/glaze. Unsure exactly what you are asking. Are you asking about the mildest CLEANER and with the assumption you will always follow that with an LSP wax? That is different from looking for a the best all-in-one single-step cleaner+wax.

Depending on what you want to do, the 151 PaintReconditioner may also be a candidate.

Can you clarify, one step or two steps...

[RGP]

Re: M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

The intent will be for "jeweling" and removal of only the tiniest of faint, occasional, hairline paint defects but also that product which produces the ultimate in gloss and clarity prior to my LSP.

Thanks as always!

I don't see how I can further clarify.

[Lasthope05]

Re: M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

I would take m205 and colorx out of the picture. Though m205 is a finishing polish it can sometimes leave marring behind on softer paints and colorx is an AIO type of product. You wouldnt want the wax to interfere with jeweling/burnishing as it might hide light defects vs removing them. With that being said you should be perfectly fine using M09 or M82 for final polishing.

[RGP]

Re: M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

I guess I'm now confused on the difference between M82 and M09 since they each are a level three.

[Lasthope05]

Re: M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

From what I've gathered...

Though M82 and M09 are very similar, having used both for a long time, I do indeed see differences. While M09 may have more TS Oils, I have found M82 the better choice to use with the rotary polisher.

When using M82 with the rotary as a finishing step, while it can be done, it is highly dependent on the hardness of the paint. I use much slower speeds, but I also use more product than usual when finishing with a rotary and M82. The last thing I want is for the pad to dry out allowing it to add to the cut of M82. So make sure the pad is always clean and use the weight of the polisher only to buff the finish...

[Tuck91]

Re: M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

I'd really appreciate your input regarding the use of these three products when G110v2 applied with a W9207 pad.

The intent will be for "jeweling" and removal of only the tiniest of faint, occasional, hairline paint defects as well as final gloss enhancement. Something that one might perhaps use a couple times annually as a touch up and maintenance product.

For comparative purposes, the assumption is that all variables of pad, speed, pressure and time are identical.

My interest is in using the mildest possible product suitable. That is to say, the least intrusive product for the clearcoat, but also that product which produces the ultimate in gloss and clarity prior to my LSP.

Thanks as always!

The least aggressive product would be M09. It is an extremly mild cleaner/polish.

ColorX is a wax that also has some mild cleaner and some polish/glaze. Unsure exactly what you are asking. Are you asking about the mildest CLEANER and with the assumption you will always follow that with an LSP wax? That is different from looking for a the best all-in-one single-step cleaner+wax.

Depending on what you want to do, the 151 PaintReconditioner may also be a candidate.

Can you clarify, one step or two steps...

D151 is definitly not what he is looking for.

I guess I'm now confused on the difference between M82 and M09 since they each are a level three.

M82 is a tick more aggressive than M09. M09 also has slightly more polishing oils than M82.

Pick up a bottle of M09, you will like it.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

The SMAT in M205 makes it ideal for final finish polishing with the W9207 pad. We've seen plenty of cars come into Meguiar's Garage on Thursday nights that have been treated to M205 this way, with fantastic results. Whether you paint likes it at a slower speed or a higher speed is going to take a bit of experimentation, but for what Bob is looking for it's a fantastic choice.

But don't take our word for it - read through Kickin Griffin's review of M205, see what he accomplished on a wide variety of paint systems, and take it from there.

[RGP]

Re: M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

Super great input guys! Thank you one and all! Finally, someone actually read my details and intents. The only thing which I find intriguing is the #3 aggressiveness of M09 compared to the #4 rating for M205.

I suspect maybe I'm just beating things to death since I'm so worried about compromising my clearcoat.

Out of curiosity, is M09 SMAT?

[Michael Stoops]

Re: M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

No, M09 is not SMAT but rather a diminishing abrasive.

Don't be overly concerned about whether a product rates a 3 or 4 on the cut scale - the way you plan on using any of these (G110v2/W9207) will make the difference in cut alone imperceptible. What sets M205 apart from these other products, especially on a modern clear coat finish, is its ability to refine and clarify the finish. It also offers a crazy long buffing cycle (it won't dry out on you) and wipes off with almost no effort. But the SMAT technology is the difference here.

How you use it (as Kickin Griffin points out in his brilliant post) will determine your ultimate result. How you use it will also be determined by the paint. Slow speed or high speed, each paint is different. We've worked on several of the cars from Superformance that respond beautifully to M205 on a W9207 with a rotary running 1500 rpm, and other cars that prefer speed 4 on a D/A. Those are two very different application methods of the same product, but the paint systems are very different and so call for these variations. What your MX5 will like best is something you'll have to experiment with a bit - and for the results you're chasing, we highly recommend M205 be at the center of that experimentation.

[Tuck91]

Re: M205 v. M09 v. COLORx

Bob,

If your looking for something with a little more polishing oils, give M80 Speed Glaze or M09 Swirl Remover 2.0 a try. They both use DAT but are still awesome products and are still pretty mild cleaner/polishes.

I know you have a red car, I have used M80 Speed Glaze on red paint with awesome results. It really makes paint look deep and wet.