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    Many moons ago back in the early 80's when I got into professional detailing, I noticed most customers asked about getting a SIMONIZ, it was a generic term, of course for waxing, but I decided to look into it. Bought a can of Simoniz wax, contacted the company number on the can, they referred me to a salesperson who came to my shop. Brought all sorts of interesting products, visual business promotions, and a unique system. Using a rotary commercial buffer w/ a large pad and bonnet, a combination of paint sealer (Super Glaze if I recall), cleaner wax, and a good gob of Simoniz paste wax (soft as butter, orange and smelled really pleasantly waxy and oily) were all piled on at once, and used to buff the entire car. Tight spots were done by hand using the removed bonnet. Then a clean bonnet used to buff it off, then a clean towel for final detail. Results were fantastic, anybody that saw it demonstrated, including customers, friends, bodyshops, dealers, were sold and wanted it on their car. A good selling point was "Its a GENUINE SIMONIZ". The quiet rotary buffer doing about a car made it look professional at the same time.
    Interestingly, it was touted as usable on average DIRTY cars w/o the need wash the car 1st (but it made the bonnets really dirty and used a few more bonnets per car) with a pre-wash optional. This last point horrifies most people, but this system was originaly used at gas stations in the 1950's and 60's while customers were getting gassed-up. 2 workers would do an entire car in about 5 minutes. And charge $5 or $10!
    I used this system for years (don't worry, I washed 90% of the cars 1st) and it never failed to work great. Scratched-up cars needed "wheeling" and "cutting" first, as did REALLY faded red cars back in the day of straight enamels and lacquer paints. And this was before clay was ever used, or foam pads, quick detailers, micro-fibers, and base coat-clear coat paint.
    So, how about today, using Meguirs products, combining a sealer and carnuba wax at the same time, in effect waxing and sealing in 1 final step??

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    Re: Old school car waxing

    The first question everyone here is going to ask you is how did the cars look 3-6 months later? All waxes, compounds, polishes and especially glazes have fillers in then that make paint look amazing until it wears off. There really isn't any correction being done you are simply covering up the defects with oils and fillers to fool the customer into thinking the problem is solved. I understand this is acceptable for some cars, like old oxidized daily drivers that can't afford a $600 paint correction, but it is fooling the customer none the less.

    For a current example, Meguiars has a great compound #205 that is mentioned a lot on fourms it does a wonderful job for corrections but it does contain a lot of fillers (just a by product of how it's made). If I were to polish a black car with just this polish it would look absolutely fantastic by the time I was done, even using a wool pad, but if I were to take that car outside and wash it using a paint prep cleaner that removes the oils there would be holograms and swirls galore on the car that were hidden.

    Simoniz generally does not make a quality product, they make a product that more smoke and mirrors than actual correction or protection.

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    • #3
      Re: Old school car waxing

      Originally posted by StadiumDetail View Post
      For a current example, Meguiars has a great compound #205 that is mentioned a lot on fourms it does a wonderful job for corrections but it does contain a lot of fillers (just a by product of how it's made). If I were to polish a black car with just this polish it would look absolutely fantastic by the time I was done, even using a wool pad, but if I were to take that car outside and wash it using a paint prep cleaner that removes the oils there would be holograms and swirls galore on the car that were hidden.
      Since I've used 205 with great success, but I'm far from an expert, can you verify the above with a link for clarification please? This has me really concerned. Thanks!
      "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research would it? (Albert Einstein 1879-1955)
      BOB

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      • #4
        Re: Old school car waxing

        Originally posted by RGP View Post
        Since I've used 205 with great success, but I'm far from an expert, can you verify the above with a link for clarification please? This has me really concerned. Thanks!
        Don't be concerned, 205 is a great product and performs very well, there are just a lot of oils in it, all polishes have them which is why we do isoprophyl alcohol wipedowns. If you want to test this for yourself, grab a buddy's car that is swirled pretty badly, use 205 on it but be very gentle with with pressure and correction technique. Then wipe the 205 off. You will notice the paint looks really good when you wipe the 205 off, but then do a couple (yes a couple) undiluted IPA wipes on it and the paint defects all come back to life.

        Once again, 205 is a wonderful product and I use it myself, but like all polishes there are oils in it that need to be removed in order to get a true representation of what kind of correction has been acheived. If you don't then the oils make the final product look like it has had a finishing/burnishing stage when it has not, and remember that 205 is a Level 4 cut on Megs scale and just isn't going to finish out 100% perfect.

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        • #5
          Re: Old school car waxing

          What would you suggest that's < a level 4 for the final refinement?

          Thanks!
          "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research would it? (Albert Einstein 1879-1955)
          BOB

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          • #6
            Re: Old school car waxing

            Originally posted by RGP View Post
            What would you suggest that's < a level 4 for the final refinement?

            Thanks!
            I personally use Ultrafina but that is with a rotary and generally not as effective with a DA. What are you using, DA or rotary?

            btw: 205 seems to finish much better with a DA since there is no chance for holograms. The only thing you will notice with another step is a much deeper gloss similar to what 205 looks like before IPA wipedown.

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            • #7
              Re: Old school car waxing

              "....So, how about today, using Meguirs products, combining a sealer and carnuba wax at the same time, in effect waxing and sealing in 1 final step?..."

              It's been a darn long time since I heard of doing this. I'm sure the Meguiar's folks would say "no way". Simply use Meguiar's Hi-Tec Yellow Wax and call it good enough."...Hi-Tech Yellow Wax is a premium yellow Carnauba wax blended with silicones, polymers and other waxes. Adds richness and depth of color. Provides ultimate high gloss protection to any previously cleaned and polished paint finish. Available in liquid or paste...."

              Time to come into the not-so-new century.

              Tom

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              • #8
                Re: Old school car waxing

                Did they use the original Simonize Paste Wax. I think not. The original Simonize Wax was a hard wax that had to be removed before it dried, or else you needed kerosene to take it off. Just because the Simonize company makes wax like every other wax company doesent mean that its like the original wax that was refered to as "The Simonize Wax Job."

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                • #9
                  Re: Old school car waxing

                  Just a little wax history. Simonize Paste Wax came out in 1910. It was used on the then color varnish that was used to paint cars back then. Simonize made the paint last a lot longer. You applied it in a 2 sq foot area, any larger and you wouldnt get it off. It was a popular wax to use all the way to the 1960s, when cleaner waxes like Johnsons J-Wax, Dupont New Car Wax , and Simonize Vista became popular.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Old school car waxing

                    The Simoniz wax I used was the VISTA wax, which was orange colored, really soft and had a pungent oily waxy smell.
                    Simoniz was THE car wax years ago and was so popular the expression "Simonizing" became a generic term for waxing a car. Its even in the dictionary and wikipedia.

                    simonize

                    1934, from simoniz, trademark for a type of car polish invented by George Simons, who along with Elmer Rich of the Great Northern Railway organized Simons Manufacturing Company to sell it in Chicago, U.S.A., in 1910. Rich and his brother, R.J. Rich, acquired sole ownership two years later.

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