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  • Just dont know which to go with!

    So many variations of compounds its hard to know what to go with.

    We detail cars here and are taking it to the next level where we want to
    compound the whole vehicle with the Meguiars DA polisher, then paste wax.

    We have already studied and are experimenting with the "system" we are just not sure which product we should go with as a general compound, and at this point we do not want to stock every variation. Which would be a good "all round" general use compound for swirlmarks and paint restoration out of the following:

    Because we are in Canada, other products such as ultimate compount or swirlx are not available to us unfortunately. Only the following are available:

    I would be nice to start stocking full gallon jugs instead of the little bottles.

    Diamond Cut M8501

    Dual action cleaner/polish M8301

    Swirl Remover 2.0 M0901

    Fine Cut Cleaner m0216

    Medium Cut Cleaner M0164

    Heavy Cut Cleaner M0416

    We understand each one has a specific purpose, but for starting out, which one would you generally use for the average car with swirlmarks and bird stains.




    As for Waxes, we have always used gold class, but are trying out the Next Tech which is much creamier and goes farther. The gold class we keep getting is "dried out". The yellow and polymer look interesting for professional use and come in full gallon jugs hmm.

    Next Tech, Gold Class, Yellow (26), or Polymer sealant (20)

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    Re: Just dont know which to go with!

    You are going to need multiple cleaner/polishes as well as multiple compounds on hand. What may work on one vechile may not work on another, you shouldnt just be limited to one product.
    Nick
    Tucker's Detailing Services
    815-954-0773
    2012 Ford Transit Connect

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    • #3
      Re: Just dont know which to go with!

      From my experience,
      m85, m83, m09

      LSP goes to m20
      For added carnauba warmth, i might add m26

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      • #4
        Re: Just dont know which to go with!

        Tuck, I think you are right that ultimately I am going to need all of those products for a pro detailing shop. We like to take baby steps here and I was hoping to avoid buying a lot of product we end up never, or rarely using. I'd like to start with a few of these and branch out as I need them, and as the jobs call for them.

        Perhaps its hard to get anyone to say one is better than the other, but for example, everyone in here is talking about using Next Tech wax, but nobody mentions the polymer or carnuba. Does that mean nobody is using it?

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        • #5
          Re: Just dont know which to go with!



          Originally posted by Expertcarpetcare View Post

          We like to take baby steps here and I was hoping to avoid buying a lot of product we end up never, or rarely using. I'd like to start with a few of these


          The Med cut cleaner (M1) & the Heavy cut cleaners (M4) are some pretty gnarly products, meaning that I think they are pretty aggressive for someone that wants to take baby steps. The Fine cut cleaner (M2) is great as a first step







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          • #6
            Re: Just dont know which to go with!

            In my experience there are several paint finishing steps you can take, depending on the type of paint: base-coat/clear-coat or single stage and the paint finish problem:

            a. Compound; swirl-remover/polish; protect

            b. Swirl-remove/polish; protect

            c. Protect

            d. One step - correct/polish/protect

            To accomplish anyone of the above steps could require one of the following products:*

            a. Heavy grit compound
            b. Medium grit compound
            c. Light grit compound
            d. Microfine compound

            e. Swirl-remover/polish

            f. Wax or sealant

            * You may choose to use clay to remove IFO before buffing or polishing

            The following pads:

            a. Wool cutting pad
            b. Poly wool cutting pad
            c. Foam cutting pad

            d. Foam polishing pad

            The following tools:

            a. High speed rotary buffer
            b. Dual action buffer/polisher
            c. Mini orbital waxer

            And, the ability to diagnose the paint finish problem; knowledge of the chemicals; pads and tools and then ability to use them.

            If you can do that then you can correct every paint finish problem that can be corrected by a detailer.

            The key also is to be able to identify which chemical products from a company fall into the catagories listed above.

            Regards
            Bud Abraham
            DETAIL PLUS SYSTEMS
            Proud Member of the INTERNATIONAL DETAILING ASSOCIATION

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            • #7
              Re: Just dont know which to go with!

              Thanks both of you for the info, I am digesting it as we speak

              I have the 220 now, and I think I should start with the milder compounds too since I am inexperienced at compounding. For our package we are developing, how about:

              Wash, QD, Clay Bar

              QD again

              then

              Swirl Remover 2.0 with the 220

              Then

              Remove and QD all

              Then

              Next Tech Wax



              Sound ok, for a baby step?

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              • #8
                Re: Just dont know which to go with!

                You seem to be looking for a pat answer and that is really not possible when dealing with paint finish problems.

                If you can reduce the options that can be wrong with the paint then you can reduce the need for certain compounds.

                For example:

                a. If you have a relatively new car or car whose paint finish is in good condition then you would need

                b. Microfine grit compound, at most, if at all. Depends whether you have scratches or marrs

                c. A swirl-remover/polish. There are two different products in this catagory but I prefer one that will do both

                d. Wax or paint sealant for protection

                e. If you want to clay each time then have clay and start with that.

                f. You can probably get by with a dual action tool such as the Flex or Cyclo which are both electrical dual actions. Or you can get an air powered dual action buffer.

                g. Pads - you need only a poly/wool (maybe) and a foam cutting pad and a foam polishing pad.

                These tools and chemicals and pads will reduce what you need to have a flawless finish on your car.

                Just my opinion, of course.

                Regards
                Bud Abraham
                DETAIL PLUS SYSTEMS
                Proud Member of the INTERNATIONAL DETAILING ASSOCIATION

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