Wax on wax

[Justin A]

Re: Wax on wax

Im always hearing that. what is meant by a thin coat. Say your doing half of a hood. How much product would you put on your app pad before you spread by hand?

I measured last time I waxed my 300C (LARGE sedan)...
14 grams covered the whole car. I use a little bit more when I'm using Meguiars waxes because they're applied with a pad and I can't quite control the amount as well as I can bare-handed.
I'd say that I use about 10g for the whole car when using a liquid, but I haven't yet measured. I will measure next time.

[akimel]

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Al, thank-you for clarifying and actually knowing what I meant because I wasn't clear (at all).

Try them out, in fact I am a big advocate of trying everything and get that "see it for yourself" resolution.

I think there is a lot of subjectivity as to the look of a particular product, although I'm sure there are some who have a trained eye to notice subtle differences. Frankly, I'm near color blind so I can't see much of a difference between black and blue!

I'm with you, Fitty. The more waxes I try, the more persuaded I become that the differences are very subtle and that I am probably too "blind" or "stupid" to see them. Perhaps my eyes simply have not been trained sufficiently, which is quite possible and probably probable.

After all, I am also unable to taste many of the differences between good wines or good scotches. I attend a monthly single malt scotch group. If available, we will read a description of the particular whisky we are trying out that evening. More often than not, I cannot taste the particular notes that the "expert" ostensibly tastes. Oh well. All that really matters is whether I enjoy the whisky. Perhaps one day I will be able to taste the "heather" in Oban (my favorite scotch). I can say, however, that I have no problem tasting the peat in Laphraoig.

Cheers,
Al

[3Fitty]

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As Fitty intimates, you will need to try them both and see for yourself the difference (if any). Please report back your results.

Al, thank-you for clarifying and actually knowing what I meant because I wasn't clear (at all).

Try them out, in fact I am a big advocate of trying everything and get that "see it for yourself" resolution.

I think there is a lot of subjectivity as to the look of a particular product, although I'm sure there are some who have a trained eye to notice subtle differences. Frankly, I'm near color blind so I can't see much of a difference between black and blue!

[akimel]

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The general conensus is that carnauba's give you a deeper warmer look, almost a glow, while sealants give you a dazzling shine, without the depth or wetness of a carnauba. Personally, I haven't seen much of a difference, except maybe for Zaino which really seems to possibly outshine everything.

As Fitty intimates, you will need to try them both and see for yourself the difference (if any). Please report back your results.

[the_invisible]

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a full 3oz bottle is enough to wax 2 full sized sedans.

Just curious, Michael...

If I manage to wax four full sized cars using a 3oz bottle of NXT 2.0, am I doing anything wrong?

[3Fitty]

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Hey Al, I have a bit of a newbie question regarding what you said there. What do you mean by the NXT look and the carnauba look? Synthetics (ie: NXT) provide a different look than carnaubas (M26, Gold Class)? Can you show examples if possible?

The general conensus is that carnauba's give you a deeper warmer look, almost a glow, while sealants give you a dazzling shine, without the depth or wetness of a carnauba.

Personally, I haven't seen much of a difference, except maybe for Zaino which really seems to possibly outshine everything.

[StoneRaizer]

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On the other hand, if you are thinking about doing a wax combination on the same day, then you should either lay down two coats of NXT (if you want the NXT look) or lay down a coat of NXT and then top it with M26 (if you want the M26 look). The former gives you both the durability and look of NXT; the latter gives you the durability of NXT and the carnauba look of M26.

Cheers,
Al

Hey Al, I have a bit of a newbie question regarding what you said there. What do you mean by the NXT look and the carnauba look? Synthetics (ie: NXT) provide a different look than carnaubas (M26, Gold Class)? Can you show examples if possible?

[akimel]

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Smokey, you may find this article of interest:

Your Daily Driver: A Simple Wash & Wax Regimen

[nsmokey]

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[QUOTE=akimel;349183]Yes, you can apply NXT over M26. NXT does not appear to be finnicky about this sort of thing. As a general rule, carnauba waxes should be applied on top of synthetic sealants rather than the reverse; but NXT appears to be the exception that proves the rule.

I'm assuming here that you have already applied a coat of M26 to your car __ days ago and now wish to try out NXT and are wondering if you need to remove the M26 before applying NXT. My guess is that you do not have to do anything special and can just apply a coat of NXT directly on top of your existing coat of M26. As I said, NXT is not finnicky.

On the other hand, if you are thinking about doing a wax combination on the same day, then you should either lay down two coats of NXT (if you want the NXT look) or lay down a coat of NXT and then top it with M26 (if you want the M26 look). The former gives you both the durability and look of NXT; the latter gives you the durability of NXT and the carnauba look of M26.

But you really can't go wrong here. Play around with the waxes and discover on your own what combinations you like best. Have fun!

Cheers,
Al[/QUOTE

Al:

You are correct, I have M-26 on the car now. I have been of the old school and used 00 wash and yellow wax to give the car a good shine.

I am new to all the latest car care products. I have a new 2009 Lincoln MKS, silver in color. I got the m-26 on it the second day that I had the car. I sent a email to the tech staff and got recomendations on the best products to use. I am going to try the NXT over M-26 this weekend.

It seems that I should use the M-26 first, so I will put it over the NXT
on the next go around.

Thanks for the advice. Smokey

[Michael Stoops]

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Im always hearing that. what is meant by a thin coat. Say your doing half of a hood. How much product would you put on your app pad before you spread by hand?

This an awesome question.

"Thin" is a relative term and it can be difficult to convey over the phone or in mere type - but a picture is worth a thousand words. What you see below is definitely NOT what we would consider a thin coat - in this case NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0:



We stopped the owner of this vehicle when he was halfway through it during one of our Thursday Night Open Garage sessions. We showed him what "thin" is and then handed the soaked applicator pad to his girlfriend and had her wax the other side of the car without ever adding any more product to the pad!

The picture below is a great example of a thin, uniform coat of wax, in this case applied with a dual action buffer:



If you want to make sure you're not applying too much wax head down to Wal-Mart and pick up a 3oz travel bottle. They should be in the general cosmetics/personal care section and are pretty common due to FAA restrictions regarding the amount of liquid products that can be carried onto commercial flights. They cost something like $0.50 or $0.75 each and come in both pump spray or squeeze versions - get the squeeze bottle for liquid wax. Pour some of your liquid wax from the Meguiar's bottle into this travel bottle and use that to wax your car. In fact, if you really do it right, a full 3oz bottle is enough to wax 2 full sized sedans.

Remember, with a non-cleaner wax you aren't doing any defect correction, you're just laying down a thin film of product. Once your applicator pad becomes damp with product you'll find yourself adding a bit less to the pad with each panel. As long as you can transfer product from the pad to the paint and completely cover the area, you're fine. Remember the young lady who waxed half a car without ever adding any more product to the pad? Yeah, she was a bit surprised too.

[akimel]

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I have a short question which may a dumb one. Can NXT 2 liquid be applied over Meguiars yellow wax. Or is a treatment needed before doing the NXT?

Yes, you can apply NXT over M26. NXT does not appear to be finnicky about this sort of thing. As a general rule, carnauba waxes should be applied on top of synthetic sealants rather than the reverse; but NXT appears to be the exception that proves the rule.

I'm assuming here that you have already applied a coat of M26 to your car __ days ago and now wish to try out NXT and are wondering if you need to remove the M26 before applying NXT. My guess is that you do not have to do anything special and can just apply a coat of NXT directly on top of your existing coat of M26. As I said, NXT is not finnicky.

On the other hand, if you are thinking about doing a wax combination on the same day, then you should either lay down two coats of NXT (if you want the NXT look) or lay down a coat of NXT and then top it with M26 (if you want the M26 look). The former gives you both the durability and look of NXT; the latter gives you the durability of NXT and the carnauba look of M26.

But you really can't go wrong here. Play around with the waxes and discover on your own what combinations you like best. Have fun!

Cheers,
Al

[Calais]

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Im always hearing that. what is meant by a thin coat. Say your doing half of a hood. How much product would you put on your app pad before you spread by hand?

I don't know if I would be able explain in terms of oz or anything but prime the foam appplicator so it is wet to the touch. On a light colored car you would hardly be able to even see NXT, on a dark car it should be visible but not thick and smeary. Keep lightly priming it as needed but don't overdo it. Just think: as thin as possible.

[SpinsB]

Re: Wax on wax

Im always hearing that. what is meant by a thin coat. Say your doing half of a hood. How much product would you put on your app pad before you spread by hand?

[Calais]

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I have a short question which may a dumb one. Can NXT 2 liquid be applied over Meguiars yellow wax. Or is a treatment needed before doing the NXT?

I would do it the other way around: apply a nice thin coat of NXT 2.0 and then apply yellow wax. NXT has some polishing oils in it, so it will slightly strip a bit of the yellow wax. NXT>M26 is a well liked combo here on MOL, it will look great and last for an incredibly long time.

[nsmokey]

I have a short question which may a dumb one. Can NXT 2 liquid be applied over Meguiars yellow wax. Or is a treatment needed before doing the NXT?