Adding Oils to an LSP?

[Jossy92]

I have a 21 year old Honda. My paint looks really good to the untrained eye, however, I can see the hint of failure on the hood under certain lighting.

I was thinking of applying a pure polish like #7 and then before it hazed, topping it with NXT so I would have oils in my hand blended LSP. Then I would gently polish. I know the oils on the surface would flash off, but, how about the oil in the micro-craters I have seen pictures of.

I guess I am assuming that NXT will dissolve and blend with the #7 creating a custom LSP.

Yeh, it's stupid but someone's got to do it.

[CieraSL]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

#7 is not supposed to dry on the paint. There are numerous threads on MOL where people have let it dry and then reported that it was a PITA to remove. NXT 2.0, on the other hand, is supposed to dry before it is removed. I think by doing it the way you're wanting to, you're just setting yourself up for trouble.

[Jossy92]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

#7 is not supposed to dry on the paint.

Thanks for the reminder. Actually, I was going to apply the #7 and then immediately apply NXT to the pad and work the combo into the old paint.

I would let the combined product haze and immediately break the haze and make my final pass.

I see more and more defects [failure?] the cleaner the paint is and recently read in a current post that the oils fill cracks and help appearance wise.

Assuming the paint is too old to correct, I am not sure how a pro would extend the life and also make the paint look its best. My defects really show up with NXT. I guess I am trying to create my own fillers.

Appreciate the reminder about not letting #7 dry.

[Nappers]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

Anyway you can post some photos of the paint, maybe it can be corrected.

M26 dries clear and with a good rubbing of M07 prior, may make it look good.

[jmakado]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

Or you could just use Gold Class which already has polishing oils in it. If you do some searching you will find a thread posted by Mike Phillips that states GC is the only "Polish/Wax" in the line. Not to be confused with "Cleaner/Wax's" such as M66 or Cleaner Wax in the consumer line.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

Although I understand what you are getting at, I do not think that is the best way to go about it.

M07 is intended to be spread over the surface, and then wiped away. As much as it can stay on the surface to fill the pores and rejuvenate the paint will be accomplished this way. Leaving it on and then waxing into it will NOT increase how well it bonds and rejuvenates, it will only create a headache for you.

Trust me, the method you want will be to spread, wipe and remove. Then wait a minute or two, and wipe again to remove any remaining excess after it re-dries and creates a fresh "skin" on the surface.

THEN apply the way as you normally would. This will give you the optimal results that you are after.

[Jossy92]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

Sure appreciate the info and the suggestions.

The paint looks like it has white specs in it among many very fine crows-feet. I read a post that in Honda's this is the start of paint failure. I need to learn to use my camera.

I am trying to prolong the life of the paint and make it look as good as I can. Also wanted to use the most durable products that I can so that I touch the paint as little as possible.

[Jossy92]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

...spread, wipe and remove. Then wait a minute or two, and wipe again to remove any remaining excess after it re-dries and creates a fresh "skin" on the surface.

THEN apply the way as you normally would. This will give you the optimal results that you are after.

I will do that. Can you see the second, fresh skin or is it by feel?

Thank you,

( The second "skin" seems important, which means I shouldn't be too agressive on the first "wipe." Is it important or just the way the product behaves....If you have time.)

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

I will do that. Can you see the second, fresh skin or is it by feel?

Thank you,

( The second "skin" seems important, which means I shouldn't be too agressive on the first "wipe." Is it important or just the way the product behaves....If you have time.)

The second skin concept is something that doesn't always happen, but is fairly common. Think of it like tomato soup...if you let it sit for a few minutes, it develops a slight skin over the top.

With M07, it is so oily that sometimes after application when you go to remove it with your first attempt you only really get about 90% of it off. You will then see slight smearing and streaking left on the paint. Give it a couple minutes for the remaining product to dry (re-skin so to speak), and then remove that like you did the first pass. Then you should have a streak-free surface. The M07 at this point will be optimally applied (pushed into the paint as best it can), but still leave a clean surface that will allow waxes like NXT 2.0 or M26 to bond properly.

If you try to leave too much M07 on there what you will up with is a streaking mess that really defeats the purpose of the whole procedure.

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out!

[OhioCarBuff]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

If you don't remove every trace of pure polish, won't the slight cleaners in NXT or 21 remove them?

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

If you don't remove every trace of pure polish, won't the slight cleaners in NXT or 21 remove them?

Hard to say, but most likely, no. NXT and 21 do not really have cleaners... the pure act of wiping them around will in a sense "clean" something off... but that's about it.

[jmakado]

Re: Adding Oils to an LSP?

I've used NXT and #21 over #7 many times. I've never noticed it taking away to super wet look that #7 achieves.