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    single stage extreme makeover questions

    this is strangely my first single-stage buffing job so I have some questions:

    I have:

    makita rotary and G100
    M105, M205
    all meguiars foam pads and so1o wool light cutting pad
    Meguiars mild clay
    Lots of other products that probably aren't relevant

    The clay is loading up real fast and seems like it will take forever. Should I skip the clay and go to a wool pad with either M105 or M205? The swirls aren't too bad and so far M205 is taking all but the RIDS out, but the pad loads up with dead paint so fast. I have four polishing pads, and it's just a Toyota MR2, so if I get paint loading up, it's probably not a huge deal.

    Also, could anyone link me to wool pad cleaning methods? I use a spur and sometimes a toothbrush, but can I throw those in the wash too, or is there a special method to get all of the old, dried product out?

    Thanks!
    "Do the job right, or don't do it!" - Dad
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    Re: single stage extreme makeover questions

    I just did half of the hood with this procedure:

    - quick clay to get bonded contaminant, but not load up the clay with dead paint too much
    - M105/wool pad to get most of the dead paint off and take out RIDS
    - M205 polishing pad to refine

    This looks pretty good, though I would like to skip the M105 step if possible. He's not paying me for a show car detail, because it's got a lot of problems and it's not worth it. so, I don't won't to go overboard.

    Any ideas to maximize the use of my time?
    "Do the job right, or don't do it!" - Dad

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    • #3
      Re: single stage extreme makeover questions

      There's single stage paint and then there's oxidized single stage paint, sounds like you're working on oxidized single stage paint?

      You found out that claying oxidized paint just loads your clay bar up with dead paint.





      The normal rule-of-thumb is to wash, dry and then clay if needed unless working on a single stage paint, then an option is to use something to remove the majority of all the dead oxidized paint and then clay.

      Kind of depends upon what your correction process is going to be too; if you're doing all your work by hand then removing most of the dead paint with a paint cleaner will enable you to then clay the paint without loading up your clay with contaminants.

      Every time I post this someone always asks,

      Won't removing the dead oxidized paint also remove all the above surface bonded contaminant?

      The answer is, not always.

      I've removed the dead oxidized paint from a single stage paint job and then clayed it and upon turning the clay bar over could easily see above surface bonded contaminants coming off which means the cleaning process with a paint cleaner didn't get them all.

      That's why we post all the time when asked about this topic,

      "Claying is the most effective way to remove above surface bonded contaminants"

      Keyword being effective.


      Now if you're going to buff out a single stage finish and you're already planning on using a rotary buffer with a wool pad and a compound, the the cutting power of the wool fibers, your choice of compound and the direct drive rotating power of the rotary buffer will remove the dead paint and for the most part kick off any above surface bonded contaminant. With this approach there shouldn't be anything to clay after the first buffing step assuming you used an aggressive compound with the wool pad.

      There will be a ton of dead paint loading up your wool pad however and that's where you need a pad washer like one of the popular units shown in this picture.

      1966 Rambler Extreme Makeover - April 24th Open Garage Pictures & Comments








      If you don't have a pad washer then you can get by using a spur like this,






      What are you working on?


      Mike Phillips
      760-515-0444
      showcargarage@gmail.com
      "Find something you like and use it often"

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      • #4
        Re: single stage extreme makeover questions

        now my wool pad is loading up with dead paint really bad. I only have two of these and I'm only done the hood! any ideas?
        "Do the job right, or don't do it!" - Dad

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        • #5
          Re: single stage extreme makeover questions

          sorry- my page didn't refresh with your post on there.

          I'm working on a 200k mile toyota MR2. the paint is heavily oxidised.

          A pad washer might be in order for the future. Otherwise, for now I have a toothbrush and a spur. the toothbrush seems to help remove some of the product that the spur doesn't.
          "Do the job right, or don't do it!" - Dad

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            Re: single stage extreme makeover questions

            Originally posted by dnoraker View Post
            sorry- my page didn't refresh with your post on there.

            I'm working on a 200k mile toyota MR2. the paint is heavily oxidised.

            A pad washer might be in order for the future. Otherwise, for now I have a toothbrush and a spur. the toothbrush seems to help remove some of the product that the spur doesn't.
            Sounds like you're doing the best you can. This is where a pad washer really comes in handy as it's pretty amazing how clean it will get the buffing pad with just a minute or so in the pad washer.

            Spur, spur, spur.....


            Luckily the MR2 is a fairly small car, be glad you're not removing the oxidized paint off of something really big.


            Just to note ran into the same issue about 3 weeks ago with this single stage paint and what kept the buffing process easy was cleaning the pad in the pad wash often.

            1960 Ford Ranchero - Extreme Makeover - M105/M205 Tag Team


            Products Used
            M105/W5500/RB - 1500 RPM
            M205/W-8000/RB - 1500 RPM
            M07/W-8006/DA - 5.0 Speed Setting
            NXT/W9207/DA - 4.0 Speed Setting


            Oxidized single stage paint





            No more oxidized single stage paint






            If you're going to be using the rotary buffer a lot for any kind of paint then you should plan on investing into a pad wash in the near future. We always preach "work clean" on this forum and a big part of that is keeping your buffing pad clean and your panel clean.


            Mike Phillips
            760-515-0444
            showcargarage@gmail.com
            "Find something you like and use it often"

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            • #7
              Re: single stage extreme makeover questions

              Thanks for the help, Mike. I will have to order one of those pad washers so I'm ready next time I come across a car like that.

              The owner was shocked at how much better it looked, and didn't know that was even possible. He is in a car club and wants to hand out my business cards to his friends! I'm not looking to go crazy with my side business, but I currently can take more.
              "Do the job right, or don't do it!" - Dad

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