Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

BE CAREFUL!
The paint on your Escalade is probably very thin

This is correct. The clear layer for most factory paint jobs is historically very thin. This means you want to only remove enough paint to correct the problem and in some cases it's better and safer to live with the deeper defects than it is to try to remove them, especially if the car in questions is a daily driver.

Tim is wants to prove me wrong when ever he can

Historically, Tim has a reputation of insuring the information on this forum is accurate, he does not have a reputation of causing problems on this forum or any forum.

When someone makes a bold statement, there needs be verification in order to not to create misinformation.

Tim is correct in that we try hard to make sure the information on this forum is always accurate.

Mario is correct in that factory basecoat/clearcoat paint jobs are thin overall including the clear layer. I think Mario's point was to try to help the member by steering him toward the least aggressive approach which is the correct direction to move on this project.

In the spirit of the friendly forum MOL is known for, let's put this behind us in this thread and move forward with helping Escalade to remove the swirls and scratches and get the results he's hoping for from our products and our forum.


Thank you...

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

I tweaked your code on the first page to just go ahead and show the full size pictures, that makes it easier for everyone to see what we're dealing with.

This pictures kind of sums up what the problems you're trying to remove,





I didn't see anywhere in the thread were you mentioned how you would be doing your work by hand or machine and if a machine what type of machine.


Regardless, you need to get some Ultimate Compound and some SwirlX, if working by hand pick up half a dozen foam applicator pads like our X3070 Soft Foam Applicator pads and then rub out all the paint first using Ultimate Compound and then follow this with SwirlX. After that apply a coat of your favorite wax.

The most important step is working the Ultimate Compound, doesn't matter if you're working by hand or machine, you want to remove the defects in the first step and this will mean working small sections at at time, about a foot square or so until you've gone all the way around the vehicle. For a SUV this size you might want to only tackle a portion of the rig each day/weekend.




X3070 Soft Foam Applicator Pad

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the passion! I will be using a DA, by hand would be realatively torturous.
I was first going to clay bar it, then I'll just do a test area with the least aggresive products first and go from there.

What(if any) products do you currently have on hand?

[Escalade]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the passion! I will be using a DA, by hand would be realatively torturous.
I was first going to clay bar it, then I'll just do a test area with the least aggresive products first and go from there.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

2 - and M. Phillips told me the same thing

Thanks for chimming in Nick
Tim is wants to prove me wrong when ever he can
This is not his first "attack" on me
It's ok, he does have a point, just needs to be nicer when tring to call someone out.

Mario I am disappointed. As I simply explained I want to know how you measured the Escalades? You said from "your experience" and not Mike Phillips' experience. I wanted you to explain so that it could benefit others.

I would appreciate that you did not accuse me of calling you out. When you make bold statements, they will be determined as fact by MOL members, even when they are incorrect. Mario, do not take this the wrong way, and I mean this in all kindness, you need to make statements from your own experience and not from someone elses, because if they are wrong, you are simply perpetuating the misinformation. See what I mean? I have no desire to prove you or anyone else wrong. But I will correct misinformation or ask for clarification of "Fact" as I simply have done here.

Tim

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

Just remember, doesn't matter how thin the paint is, the clear is the only layer we are working on.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

I am not trying to be mean...

When someone makes a bold statement, there needs be verification in order to not to create misinformation. I simply want to know how Mario measured the Escalades to come to his conclusions as this information could be helpful to all MOL members.

Tim

[Maserati Mario]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

2 - and M. Phillips told me the same thing

Thanks for chimming in Nick
Tim is wants to prove me wrong when ever he can
This is not his first "attack" on me
It's ok, he does have a point, just needs to be nicer when tring to call someone out.

[Nick Chapman]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

HUH?

How many Cadillac Escalades have you detailed (from "your experience") and measured the paint thickness of in order to have come that conclusion?????

How did you measure the base coat thickness?

How did you measure the BC/CC thickness on the liftgate?

Tim

To the OP, just take your time and don't get frustrated or carried away. Start with the least aggressive method, and work up from there. Find something you're satisfied with, and go for it. If you're doing it all by hand.....good luck

Paint is thin, as it is on ALL vehicles from the factory. But the primer and base have no reflection on the clear. Most all vehicles from the factory come with 1-1.5 mils of clear applied, and this is all you will be working on. Primer and base have no bearing on our work.

Nick

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

BE CAREFUL!
The paint on your Escalade is probably very thin
Just use the least aggressive method and you should be fine.
Please post some pics so we can asses correctly

Oh sorry, I forgot to post my reasons
From my experience the Base coat and CC are very thin
When they prime these they use a colored primer and therefore they can use less paint.
Just my experience, I cringe when I see one with paint damage.

HUH?

How many Cadillac Escalades have you detailed (from "your experience") and measured the paint thickness of in order to have come that conclusion?????

How did you measure the base coat thickness?

How did you measure the BC/CC thickness on the liftgate?

Tim

[Maserati Mario]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

Oh sorry, I forgot to post my reasons
From my experience the Base coat and CC are very thin
When they prime these they use a colored primer and therefore they can use less paint.
Just my experience, I cringe when I see one with paint damage.

[Bostonsfavson]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

BE CAREFUL!
The paint on your Escalade is probably very thin
Just use the least aggressive method and you should be fine.
Please post some pics so we can asses correctly

What makes you say that?

[Escalade]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

Oops sorry about that. Anyways on with the photos

[Lexus Guy04]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

If only it was that easy. Go into a forum, tell what you have and ask what you need. Pictures would help, but you still have to choose the right products, know how to apply/remove them correctly (especially if a machine is needed), etc, etc. A lot could go wrong if you're new and just dive right into polishing a vehicle without knowing the right techniques... But post some pictures, and we'll do our best to help.

[Maserati Mario]

Re: Black 07 Escalade with Swirls

BE CAREFUL!
The paint on your Escalade is probably very thin
Just use the least aggressive method and you should be fine.
Please post some pics so we can asses correctly