M105 and Autopian Enthusiasm

[akimel]

Just in case any MOL folks do not follow the conversations at Autopia, I thought I would bring to your attention a very interesting thread on the effectiveness of the M105 Ultra-Cut Compound. It appears that some fine detailers, employing some suggestions advanced by our own Kevin Brown, are getting excellent results using M105 with their dual-action polishers, results comparable to the results normally achieved by rotary polishing. A lot of enthusiasm is being generated as detailers experiment with #105.

From what I can glean from the discussion, the key appears to lie with the proper priming of the pad, as already discussed here on MOL: Priming a Pad. I am beginning to wonder if the new non-diminishing abrasive technology is going to force everyone, including Meguiar's users, to creatively re-think their polishing techniques. Bryan Burnworth has described his adaptation of the "Kevin Brown method" here.

This is all way above my pay-grade, but it is an interesting conversation nonetheless. Clearly this experimentation affects not only effective use of M105 but also M205, SwirlX, and Ultimate Compound. I wonder how all of this impacts newbs like myself. Feel free to eavesdrop on the conversation, as I am doing.

Cheers,
Al

[imacarnut]

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With new technology and advancement in these newer products these days, it's making defect correction alot easier and faster with the D/A or by hand (it's nice not having to work as hard and not always having to resort to the rotary for serious defects ).

[Tuck91]

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i have to say removing defects with SMA Technology is a lot easier.

My favorite is Swirl X, truly is a great cleaner/polish!!

[Mikejl]

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I've followed along with that thread also. Interesting read. I first read about Kevin Brown's Method to prime the pad here on MOL (see link in Al's post). Everyone over there is calling it the "KBM" for short.

Two weekends ago I tried the KBM with M205 on a 8207 and the G110. I did a about a 18" x 18" test section on the trunk of my black Camry. The paint had some towel marks and light swirls so I only worked the m205 for about a minute. I wiped it with a MF after the one pass and I was blown away, the finish looked like I had just laid a coat of 26.

I spent the next several hours doing the rest of the car and had absolutely no micro marring problems. I had a few places with some RIDS and I went over them with M105 using the KBM and almost didn't need to go back over them with M205.

I am a rank amateur when it comes to polishing paint and using the G110, but M205 and the KBM has lowered the bar for the skill level required to achieve a great finish with no mirco marring.

Mike

[PorscheGuy997]

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There will be a version of this paper posted on MOL in a few weeks.

[Tuck91]

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There will be a version of this coming to MOL in a few weeks.

cant wait

[yalerd]

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There will be a version of this paper posted on MOL in a few weeks.

[sudsbyhubbs]

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I'm looking forward to the write up on MOL, too much drama and bickering on the other site.

[Tom Weed]

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There will be a version of this paper posted on MOL in a few weeks.

Hey Chris,
the KB method might be fun to play around with during the get together at your place...

[akimel]

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I'm looking forward to the write up on MOL, too much drama and bickering on the other site.

Funny. I don't see bickering in that thread, but I do see some honest disagreement. M105 has presented the detailing world with a new technology that is challenging everyone's preconceptions about polishing, as well as established polishing practices. Conflict and struggle--in other words, drama--is therefore to be expected.

Until M105 was released, everyone knew that the best paint correction results are achieved by rotary polishing. But then a new polish is released based on a different kind of abrasive technology. But as revolutionary as M105 may be, it in itself is not creating the "revolution." New products come and go. Something else was needed--namely, an innovator like Kevin Brown who was willing to experiment with the product and use it in ways not perhaps anticipated even by the creators of the product. And as we are seeing over at Autopia, the results achieved by those who are experimenting with Kevin's polishing suggestions has everyone amazed. If a rotary turk like Todd Helme can find himself choosing a D/A polisher over his rotary to achieve show car perfection, then a new day has arrived. I find it fun to watch.

I imagine that the Kevin Brown Method will itself encourage other kinds of experimentation. No doubt rotary devotees will now begin to experiment with M105 (and other polishes) to accomplish even better results. New techniques will be developed. It's a win-win for the detailing industry.
I look forward to the publication of Kevin's article and to the discussion that it will generate.

Cheers,
Al

[sudsbyhubbs]

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I was referring to this particular thread:
Kevin Brown Method - My understanding

The new method is generating a lot of excitement and I'm definitely looking forward to trying it out myself.

[TimG]

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Very interesting indeed.

[PorscheGuy997]

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Hey Chris,
the KB method might be fun to play around with during the get together at your place...

I will have a copy of Kevin's paper for everyone.

I've been using the technique for a few months now, but you guys can try it after reading through the paper.


Yes, the paper will be focusing on non-diminishing products with the DA, but you can use them on the rotary.

[Tom Weed]

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I will have a copy of Kevin's paper for everyone.

I've been using the technique for a few months now, but you guys can try it after reading through the paper.


Yes, the paper will be focusing on non-diminishing products with the DA, but you can use them on the rotary.

Do you agree it's faster than using a rotary and produces as good or better results?

[PorscheGuy997]

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In my opinion, yes, Kevin's method is faster than doing an all rotary detail.

Sure, the rotary will remove the defects faster, but that usually means that you will have some holograms to deal with. Kevin's DA method saves you time because you really don't have to contend with holograms. There might be some light marring, but you can easily solve that by using M205.

My preferred method for using M205 is with a rotary. The gloss is just insane. The DA and M205 works really well, too.