Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

[dhsv2]

whats the different between the machine and the hand in waxing ????
and which one is the better???

[BlueZero]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

I don't really think one is better than the other. What ever works better for you. Some people might be faster with a machine. I prefer to always apply wax by hand. I remove by hand 95% of the time. I feel I can control not getting wax in cracks and on trim better by hand.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

Actually, a tool like our G110 and other similar tools does a better job of applying and working in a coat of wax as well as enabling you to lay down a thinner, more uniform layer.

Plus... the machine never gets tired.

Both hand or machine will do the job you the human hand can never outperform the machine.

[Stevenredx]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

Correction work is SO MUCH easier by machine and will usually accomplish better result than working by hand. I use to do all my detailing by hand and i recently a got a d/a and it's opened up a whole element for me.

[BlueZero]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

Actually, a tool like our G110 and other similar tools does a better job of applying and working in a coat of wax as well as enabling you to lay down a thinner, more uniform layer.

Plus... the machine never gets tired.

Both hand or machine will do the job you the human hand can never outperform the machine.

Okay fine! I'll give it another shot this weekend.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

When using a foam pad on a tool like our G110 you have equal pressure over a uniform flat surface. When you work by hand you tend to have pressure points where your finger tips apply more pressure to a smaller area of your hand applicator pad versus uniformly over the entire surface.

Not a huge deal but again, the correct machine when used correctly will outperform the human hand.

Look at the wax pad sitting on the hood of this 1941 Ford after applying ScratchX to remove swirls and oxidation, note the 4 darker spots from where 4 finger tips applied pressure.

Over the Hill Gang - Pictures & Comments - October 4th, 2008






Note: You can see the pressure points in this example because we're working on a single stage paint and there's a heavier concentration of pigment where my fingers apply more pressure. This same thing happens when you work a paint cleaner or compound on a clear coat but because the clear paint is clear you don't see it on your applicator pad in the same way but it's happening just the same regardless.

[Ryan L.]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

The problem I have is all the curves and small areas on most cars that you have to do by hand anyways. So instead of getting out the machine and applicator, I'll just do it by hand.

Ryan

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

The problem I have is all the curves and small areas on most cars that you have to do by hand anyways. So instead of getting out the machine and applicator, I'll just do it by hand.

Ryan

Great point.

That's why at all our classes we educate on both hand techniques and machine techniques, you need both skills.

[dhsv2]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

Malvrq between
Liquid NXT GENERATION TECH WAX ® 2.0

And
NXT GENERATION ® SPRAY WAX
Fei results? And which is better

[GOHEMI]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

I don't really think one is better than the other. What ever works better for you. Some people might be faster with a machine. I prefer to always apply wax by hand. I remove by hand 95% of the time. I feel I can control not getting wax in cracks and on trim better by hand.

You say machine is faster. To my surprise, I found the exact opposite. I found that when I use my dual action polisher and the DeepCrystal 3 Step system, it takes me longer! Why? Because of the prep work (hooking up the polisher, masking the decals, setting up the pads), working on one small work area at a time, running the polisher in the east, west, north, south direction until the product is worked in (or diminished if I also use the ScratchX product), and often, doing several passes to get the best results, takes more time than a hand-wax.

Where I can easily do a 2.5 hour wax job by hand, it takes me about 4.5 hours from start to finish with the dual action polisher to do a full 3 step detailing job. It pays off, though! I get a deeper crystal clear luster with the machine compared to by hand.

[Ryan L.]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

If its taking you 4.5 hours to wax by machine or hand, your technique needs some serious working on.

But I think what you missed is that we are talking about just the waxing stage, in your case on your detail, Step 3 of the Deep Crystal line.

You shouldn't be working a wax in that much, definitely not trying to "diminish" it. Waxes (at least Meguiar's) don't have dimishing abrasives.

Ryan

[asim_296]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

Where I can easily do a 2.5 hour wax job by hand, it takes me about 4.5 hours with the polisher to do it right. I get a deeper crystal clear luster with the machine.

I just gave my car a good wash and it took me 2 hours...

since I got g220 I apply everything with it

[GOHEMI]

Re: Whats the diffrent between? (Hand and Machine)

If its taking you 4.5 hours to wax by machine or hand, your technique needs some serious working on.

But I think what you missed is that we are talking about just the waxing stage, in your case on your detail, Step 3 of the Deep Crystal line.

You shouldn't be working a wax in that much, definitely not trying to "diminish" it. Waxes (at least Meguiar's) don't have dimishing abrasives.

Ryan

Good catch, Ryan! In reading your message I realized that I had thrown everything into my post all at once, like throwing everything in one pot, and stirring it all together.

I am talking about a full 1-2-3 step process, from cleaning, to polishing, to waxing, to finishing the project. And then I threw the term "diminish" into the mix, and left out that it refers to a ScratchX treatment, which sometimes can take several repeat applications, and passes with the DA polisher.

You are right, the final waxing does not need to be worked in as much. And ditto on the fact that waxes do not diminish. I feel so silly now. But that's okay. Thanks!!!!