Haze effect

[Marine Toys]

Ok , I have used NXT wax and NXT 2 Hated both of them .
They gave me a deep dark finish but left that hazy look to them.

So I figured I would try going a different way

Started by using my Port and Cable DA

Got my self some new Foam pads

w-7006 Cutting PAd
w-8006 polishing pad
w-9006 finishing pad

Used #82 on the Cutting pad to clean , did not let it dry.

Used #7 Show car glaze with the polishing pad, Di not let it dry.

Then used # 20 Polymer Sealant with the finishing pad.
let it dry for about 10 mins. Did the wipe test and the wiped it off with my new soft buff towels

I also would like to do my Black F350 Harley this weekend but dont want the same effect with the black paint.

Can some one please tell me what Im doing wrong
Do I have to redo it?
or how can I fix it
Also How do post images, there is no upload button
Thank-you

[yalerd]

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First off let me start by saying that M82 is not recommended to be used with the DA on the that Cutting Pad. This haze or souring could be because of this, and not because of the wax.

Do this test, tape off a section of a panel and try M82 with the W8006 pad and evaluate / compare with the rest of the panel, if you don't notice the souring then you'll have to duplicate this on the entire vehicle and continue with M07 and M20.

Read the link, it has information that would help out with your problem
Cutting Pads with the PC - Good idea?

As far as how to post pictures, the links
How to delete a photo in your gallery
How to upload and insert an image into your posts

[Marine Toys]

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Hi and welcome to Meguiar's Online!

First off let me start by saying that M82 is not recommended to be used with the DA on the that Cutting Pad. This haze or souring could be because of this, and not because of the wax.

Do this test, tape off a section of a panel and try M82 with the W8006 pad and evaluate / compare with the rest of the panel, if you don't notice the souring then you'll have to duplicate this on the entire vehicle and continue with M07 and M20.

Read the link, it has information that would help out with your problem
Cutting Pads with the PC - Good idea?

As far as how to post pictures, the links
How to delete a photo in your gallery
How to upload and insert an image into your posts

Thanks Frank
Did that, No it is not from the Cutting pad tried that.

I seem to get it from any of the Meguires wax products . Got it really bad with NXT with out polish or cleaning and also with polish and cleaning.

Dont know if Im not letting dry long enough or what.

[VoicesInMyHead]

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Sorry to hear about your haze. Here is my black gas tank that was finished up with NXT 2.0... looks like chrome! Granted mine was most likely in worse shape than yours is, and I used slightly different compounds, but the NXT came out great on black for me. Good luck!

[Blackford]

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First off M82 has very little cutting to it and should be used with a polishing or finishing pad.

Here is what I have found out working on my Black F350 and my friend's Black Harley F250. The paint on these two trucks is very soft, therefore are very acceptable to micro marring, which by the way is probably what is causing the haziness you are talking about. On both of these trucks I used M80 with a polishing pad and was still getting micro marring. After several different attempts to figure out what I was doing wrong, I determined I wasn't actually doing anything wrong, but the M80 was too aggressive on the paint. So I used M09 on a finishing pad and paint looks much better. Here is my suggestion for your truck:

If there are scratches, swirls, defects, etc., remove them with whatever paint cleaner you have(i.e. M105, M83, M80) on a polishing pad, W8006. Check the paint after the cleaning step. If you see hazing or marring use a M82 or M09 on a finishing pad, W9006, that should remove any of the haziness you are experiencing. Then apply the wax of your choice using the W9006 finishing pad. I would try the NXT again to see if it looks better this time, I have a feeling it will. Let us know how that works.

Check out this post too

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27079

[Ryan L.]

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I will say that from my experiences, Ford paint is really soft, hence very prone to micro-marring and scratches. I agree with Blackford, use BSP Swirl Free Polish (#82) or Swirl Remover (#9) as you last polishing step. I would lean more towards M09, because of the polishing oils in it.

Remember to always to a test spot, a 2 x 2 section some where on the car where you perform your whole correction process; clay through wax. If that one spot returns the results you want, then move onto the rest of the car.

Ryan

[Marine Toys]

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Yes the Ford Paint is very bad , mine came all orange peely ,

The haze on the Dakota is more of a oily look than haze, Maybe im explaining it wrong.

Greasy look , oily Look, it is not deep , it only comes from the wax .
It is most definatly not there before the wax, unless the wax brings it out.

So Im very confused

[Marine Toys]

Re: Haze effect

I will say that from my experiences, Ford paint is really soft, hence very prone to micro-marring and scratches. I agree with Blackford, use BSP Swirl Free Polish (#82) or Swirl Remover (#9) as you last polishing step. I would lean more towards M09, because of the polishing oils in it.

Remember to always to a test spot, a 2 x 2 section some where on the car where you perform your whole correction process; clay through wax. If that one spot returns the results you want, then move onto the rest of the car.

Ryan

Ive have tried both those products , and yes have still got that hazy look with them. Im thinking its the way I apply the wax , but then am I really that bad

[Marine Toys]

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Ive tried both of those products and still get the same effect.

Im thinking it is some how with the wax aplication

[Marine Toys]

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[Marine Toys]

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[Marine Toys]

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It has that same look as if you had really oily hands and put a big hand mark on it ans smugged it

[Marine Toys]

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This is one I need to do next.

I used NXT last time and same result.

So Im hoping to be successful this time

[Marine Toys]

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First off let me start by saying that M82 is not recommended to be used with the DA on the that Cutting Pad. This haze or souring could be because of this, and not because of the wax.

Do this test, tape off a section of a panel and try M82 with the W8006 pad and evaluate / compare with the rest of the panel, if you don't notice the souring then you'll have to duplicate this on the entire vehicle and continue with M07 and M20.

Read the link, it has information that would help out with your problem
Cutting Pads with the PC - Good idea?

As far as how to post pictures, the links
How to delete a photo in your gallery
How to upload and insert an image into your posts

Tried this , It looks perfect in the sun till you put on the wax

[Marine Toys]

Re: Haze effect

First off M82 has very little cutting to it and should be used with a polishing or finishing pad.

That was the Idea, just needed a little Cleaning , And it worked very well..

Here is what I have found out working on my Black F350 and my friend's Black Harley F250. The paint on these two trucks is very soft, therefore are very acceptable to micro marring,

---- Correct the Paint is very bad

which by the way is probably what is causing the haziness you are talking about. --- Yes but not on the dakota

On both of these trucks I used M80 with a polishing pad and was still getting micro marring. After several different attempts to figure out what I was doing wrong, I determined I wasn't actually doing anything wrong, but the M80 was too aggressive on the paint. So I used M09 on a finishing pad and paint looks much better.

----Very good point


Here is my suggestion for your truck:

If there are scratches, swirls, defects, etc., remove them with whatever paint cleaner you have(i.e. M105, M83, M80) on a polishing pad, W8006. Check the paint after the cleaning step. If you see hazing or marring use a M82 or M09 on a finishing pad, W9006, that should remove any of the haziness you are experiencing.

---- Im not convinced that it is from anything but the wax.

Then apply the wax of your choice using the W9006 finishing pad. I would try the NXT again to see if it looks better this time, I have a feeling it will. Let us know how that works.

Check out this post too
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27079

The NXT is way to hard to judge on when it is dry, I have tried it on light colored cars that have only need to be waxed and I still get the haze/oil look