Trouble removing wax with g110

[piloto117]

Hey guys, I haven't been able to fully detail my car, but this last weekend I gave it a go. I only washed, clayed and waxed it, but found some trouble along the way.
I've always waxed by hand never by machine, primarily because I didn't know how. So when I got the G110 a couple a weeks ago, and having read a lot of debate on the hand vs. machine discussion, and almost everybody here prefers machine claiming that it's faster and easier and more efficient; I had to give it a try.
So I placed a thin coat of NXT by hand (and foam applicator), waited 15-20 minutes and then proceeded to remove the wax with the G110, using a microfiber bonnet and a maroon pad below that. I used speed at 5. Well I didn't like the results, I still had to give it a wipe off by hand with a MF. This morning I found some marks (holograms?) made by the G110! It's definetly a big surprise to me since it's supposed to be a safe machine. I used a NEW microfiber bonnet (in fact the maroon pad was also new), I even sprayed a little QD to lubricate the bonnet. I didn't use too much pressure on the G110, and fortunately just did one side and a part of the hood, so I didn't use it on the whole car. Also, I'm certain that the marks were NOT present before using the G110.

Why did it do this? I'm positively sure I used everything clean!
I know I'll have to use some polish now, but I would like to know what happened for future applications.

I'll try to post some pics ASAP.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

Just curious...

Why didn't you apply the wax by machine?

Removing wax by machine works best when the layer of wax is thin, you can apply wax thinner by machine than you can by hand and if you're having problems removing the wax by machine the culprit is probably too thick a layer of wax.

Try this on just the hood,

Apply some wax by machine. Allow the wax to fully dry. Now remove using your bonnet on the foam cutting pad, you need to put some pressure on the polisher when you're doing this.

Let us know how that goes....

[piloto117]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

I applied the wax by hand because I used paste wax (NXT 2.0). And I made sure it was a THIN coat. I wasn't sure if I could apply the paste wax to the foam pad (with the g110) and then to the car.
The pressure as a matter of fact, seems to be the only reason I got the holograms... Since I had great results following your instructions on another thread, I thought I could follow the same procedure in removing the wax.
Like I said, I'll try to post some pics ASAP, and I'm not blaming anyone for this as I think that it has a solution. But I'm pretty much surprised (not in a good way) that this happened. I wonder if anybody else had a similiar experience, and if so, maybe it would be wise to warn people about this.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

Interesting.

I'll have to try to duplicate your process and see what happens, it could be the paste version is a littler harder to remove because a thin coating of the liquid comes off real easy by machine.

[Mort Corey]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

Just guessing, but are you sure that they're actually holograms? Perhaps it's just wax residue that hadn't quite cured/dried before it was removed and left a swirly mess. Some QD and/or claying a test spot where the holograms appear might make them go away.

Mort

[mike_svt]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

Just guessing, but are you sure that they're actually holograms? Perhaps it's just wax residue that hadn't quite cured/dried before it was removed and left a swirly mess. Some QD and/or claying a test spot where the holograms appear might make them go away.

Mort

Agreed. I think that misting the MF bonnet w/ QD may have caused this. I've used #105 w/ the PC and have had to mist the panel to remove the #105. The #105 is removed, but a residue is left behind. A swipe w/ a clean/dry MF takes care of that.

[piloto117]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

Nope, the day after I applied UQD with a MF. And believe me, it has circular marks that resemble the G110, not an amorphous swirl. Like I said, I'll try to post some pics, trouble is we got some rain today and it does look better in the sun. Stay tuned...

[piloto117]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=91&pictureid=400

Well, this is a picture of what I've been talking about, unfortunately I couldn't take some good pictures of the hood (trouble with the camera focusing), this is located on the door side panel, it's the round mark that concerns me, and like this one pictured, there are multiple marks on the rest of the car where I used the G110 to remove the wax. My guess is that it was the pressure used on the G110, but don't know if hand applied PASTE wax had anything to do with it.... I'm absolutely sure there wasn't ANY cross-contamination whatsoever, the MF bonnet was new, as well as the maroon pad below that and the paste wax including the foam applicator were clean as they could be. The surface wasn't dusted, only the thin wax layered out on the car. (Paint too soft for the G110?)
Tell me what you think guys.

[Ryan L.]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

Are you sure all those scratches weren't there before and you just didn't notice them. Looks like way more than just scratches from a pad, I have never heard of that happening, ever. Unless there was dirt on the bonnet or possibly dirt that had dried along with the wax and then moved around when the wax was being removed.

Ryan

[piloto117]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

There were some swirl marks before, but they have a way different pattern than the ones I'm talking about. I'll try to take some more pictures (on the hood they're more visible, except that I can't manage to focus the camera).
About the dirt getting caught in the wax/bonnet... it is a possibility, except that the bonnet was a new one, and the wax is dust free. Also, the MF I used didn't leave any marks on the finish as I was removing the wax. There was practically no wind that day, so if any abrasives were present it was probably wax residue.

BUMP?

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

There is NO way that a properly used and clean G110 would be able to do that. Those scratches are bad...at most a light marring or faight scratches would happen from the DA.

Plus, too much pressure doesn't make sense because the machine is made to bog down and stop moving with too much pressure.

Those scratches were either already there, or there was severe contamination on something.

Did you set the pad or bonnet face down on the ground or a dirty surface at any time?

[Andy M.]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

Just an observation. You don't need to prime or mist a MF bonnet before removing wax. Since this was a new MF bonnet, did you remove the tag on it before using it?

Never seen anything like this happen with the DA. I would think if you were putting so much pressure on it as to instill marks like that that the machine would have stopped rotating all together.

Andy

[HemiMopar]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

I have to agree. I don't think the machine by itself could have caused those marks. There must have been something there caused those marks that you didn't see.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

A clean, microfiber bonnet on a machine would never instill these kinds of scratches...



These scratches look like they were inflicted by multiple things that have come into contact with the paint.

[piloto117]

Re: Trouble removing wax with g110

Well, like I mentioned before; there is the possibility of contamination, but I highly doubt it. I'll repeat the process this weekend on another panel that wasn't affected to see what happens. Thank you for posting your thoughts.