The Great 9 Wax Shoot Out!

[acsuppa]

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I wouldn't mind seeing some of Meguiar's other waxes thrown into a test like this. NXT 2 is just not for me. I don't like the look of it on dark vehicles and it seemed to wear off in less than a month.

#26 though is one of the nicest waxes I've worked with. It looks better and lasts longer imo. I;ve had good success with Gold Class too.

I must agree with you on NXT 2.0 on dark vehicles. I recently applied it to my black car and didn't care for it. I'm not happy with the beading either. I can't say how long it will last since I just applied it on Sunday. I actually gave the bottle to a friend today. I don't plan on using it again and I'm trying to get a friend to try something other then Gold Class(Great product IMO) I would also like to see #26 thrown in. I've been a 100% Meguiar's fan/user for quite a while now and I hate to say this but I think NXT 2.0 is all hype. PLEASE don't take offensive anyone. I know a lot of people like it. I'm just sticking to #20 or #26 for my LSP. Neither has let me down or disappointed me yet. NXT and NXT 2.0 is just missing something to me. I think a lot of people like it because of all the hype and because you can get it just about anywhere. I know a lot of people that don't want to try the Pro or Detailer Line because they can't go to a local store to buy it. Only very few of the Pro line products are available around here.

[3Fitty]

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I wouldn't mind seeing some of Meguiar's other waxes thrown into a test like this. NXT 2 is just not for me. I don't like the look of it on dark vehicles and it seemed to wear off in less than a month.

#26 though is one of the nicest waxes I've worked with. It looks better and lasts longer imo. I;ve had good success with Gold Class too.

Even though this thread has kind of gone off topic, I might to an OTC shootout include Meg's waxes (I have like 5 different ones).

But if you want to see one, Wolf-Stong's wax test of OTC products is amazing.

[ZoranC]

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P.S. "Dude, I just want to wax my car!" ... Instant classic!

[Tim Lingor]

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As far as proof, even though I didn't want to, I gave up one of my sources. I would prefer to keep private conversations private (obviously).

I already know how this thread will end though. I will get banned (and some reason will be made up) even though responses made on this thread towards me where more offensive and personal then anything I have said.

And there you go again. Todd, we do not make up excuses to ban people; they ban themselves. The rules are very clear and we do everything possible including warnings, suspensions etc before we actually ban someone which I am sure you already know.

The plain fact is, we do not go for your argumentative tone. People can express themselves without the "I am right and you are wrong" mentality; you choose not to. Your statement above is very offensive to every MOL Team Member who has given you numerous chances. Mike Phillips made it clear that if you are going to make statements like the kind you have, factual proof must be presented. Your response to his request is to personally attack Mike.

Let's make this very clear to you and everyone else, here are the rules that you have broken and on numerous occasions; Nothing exaggerated, just the pure facts:


Meguiar's Online Member Rules

1. No personal attacks toward members or non-members will be tolerated.

2. No arguing with Moderators or Administrators.

3. You are welcome to disagree but you must be polite.

4. No bashing any company or their products. No bashing other people. If you can't say anything nice about someone, then don't say anything at all.

10. Continuously breaking the rules to disrupt the online community will result in you being banned from the forum with little or no warning.



Based on the above and the fact that we have given you every chance and yet you insist on breaking the rules, you are now banned from Meguiar's Online.

To everyone else, we apologize that this thread was taken off on a tangent with such a disrespectful tone. Mike and I will try and clean it up the best we can as that is only fair to the original poster 3fitty who did his best to help other members of MOL with his time consuming test.

Tim

[Tom Weed]

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Even though this thread has kind of gone off topic, I might to an OTC shootout include Meg's waxes (I have like 5 different ones).

But if you want to see one, Wolf-Stong's wax test of OTC products is amazing.

Not that this is made anymore, but I still have several bottles of MPPP, (Mediallion) but I would interested in how it holds up against the competition. I've been using 20, 21 and 26 so much lately, I've overlooked it. I did a white Accord a few weeks ago with 151 on the rotary with a purple foamed wool pad and then topped it with Medallion on the Flex with a polish pad, it was super easy to use and super slick. I'd be willing to send you a sample of it if you are interested...

Tom

[ZoranC]

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As I mentioned before about Dave KG's test of high priced waxes (zymol, swissvax, etc.) also showed very minimal differences in looks. He did entire black cars and was very precise in his methods. He even did a bare car to use as a control in the testing results.

I have read that test and while effort Dave invested is one of the best I have ever seen his test had one fundamental flaw:

Each car has been prepped by a different person using different techniques.

If 90+% of the final look is in prep as they say how do we know # 3 would not be taking # 1 position and # 1 falling to # 3 if persons that did the prep of respective cars were swicthed around?

[acsuppa]

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This thread started out so good and turned really bad. I just went back to read all the replies and was surprised that it was taken to the that level. Wow.

[3Fitty]

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Mods will clean it up and we'll get back on track. Stay tuned for the video.

[Tim Lingor]

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Mods will clean it up and we'll get back on track. Stay tuned for the video.

The thread has been cleaned up of all of the off topic comments and personal attacks.

This thread has potential for a lot of people to learn from and to participate in. Just a reminder, let's keep it respectful!!

Thanks!

Tim

[Alfisti]

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Do you believe (now remember, in the real world I'm an attorney and have a wealth of "experts" at my disposal), that I could not find someone with a science background (chemistry specifically) to really poke holes in the entire "glaze vs. acryilic sealant" theory?

Don't start me on lawyers and their experts!

Keep going the way you are.

[3Fitty]

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*UPDATE*

Following some rain yesterday, I got an opportunity to observe the hood and take some photos.

All products are holding up perfect. Didn't notice much difference in terms of what was repelling water better (seemed about the same). Beading patterns differ slightly, with some offering a smaller tighter bead, some a bigger.

Tyler Clegg was also teaching me how to put in watermarks with photoshop, so you'll see the experiment in some pics.

[3Fitty]

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*UPDATE*

Well, tonight marked two weeks into the test and I wanted to offer an update (with no pictures).

I washed the wifey-mobile tonight and I wanted to report some observations.

I started by rinsing the car down a standard "spray" type hose adapter, starting on the roof of the car and then down over the rest of the car, spending some time on the hood. All waxes were instantly beading (one was beading a bit less) and the hood protection obviously remained in tact.

I did my normal wash using GC Shampoo and two buckets with grit guards. After washing I took the hose attachment off and rinsed the car with the open ended hose to help with drying and to observe the sheeting.

All areas of the hood showed excellent surface tension (sheeting) except the VCWR (most expensive in the test). It is starting to show signs of breaking down. I expect this will be the first wax to lose.

I'm hoping to shoot some video in the future, but I also wanted to say that I paid particular attention to the Klasse area (as some stated Klasse would not bond to the paint because I used M80). Well, that doesn't seem to be happening at all. The Klasse area is sheeting and beading as good as any.

As for the feel...

I'd have to say there is a small change in my findings for "slickness". It is VERY close, but I'd have to list it like this...

1. Collinite 845

2. NXT 2.0

3. SC Nano Seal

4-8. PB's x 2, Barrier Reef, CG's Pete's 53, Klasse SG

9. Victoria Wax Concourse Red

The difference between 1-8 is miniscule. The ever so slight edge to Collinite though. In fact, I like it so much, I waxed half of MY car with it (and the other have with NXT 2.0) as a little head to head test.

[Sydster]

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Nice Work!

[J. A. Michaels]

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Thanks for the update. Sounds good.

[PorscheGuy997]

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Hey everyone,

I've been doing some similar testing of these waxes and just thought I would give some reviews.


CG Pete's 53

Application - 9/10
Very easy to apply a nice, thin coat.
Removal - 8/10
Came off easily.
Looks - 9/10
This has to be one of the best looking waxes I've used.
Protection - 5/20
After one month, it still beaded and sheeted very well. BUT, something mysterious happened. I did half the Expedition with NXT 2.0 and half with Pete's 53. Somehow, the 53 side had tons of bonded contaminants (1000 grit) and required a decent amount of claying. The NXT 2.0 side was still smooth as butter and claying didn't remove anything.

Other comments -Smells really good! I was really disappointed about having to clay it after a month. That is definately a first for me. Usually, it's maybe eight or nine before I even feel a slight need to clay when using GC, NXT 2.0 or M16.

Total - 31 Points


Collinite 845

Application - 9/10
Easy to apply a thing coat.
Removal - 7/10
Not the easiest to remove.
Looks - 5/10
Doesn't add anything to the paint (even black).
Protection - 17/20
Still beads after a month. The paint is still smooth and claying doesn't reveal anything.

Other Comments - This is a very high solvent wax. It smells like something you would put in your tank. I have to wonder, how good is a product with such solvents good for the paint?

Total - 38 Points


Victoria Concours

Application - 8/10
Somewhat easy to apply a thin coat
Removal - 1/10
If you have ever applied M16 too thick and let it sit too long, it's easier that trying to remove this. Victoria was an absolute nightmare to remove. It was tough and wanted to smear like crazy.
Looks - 8/10
Looks just like NXT 2.0.
Protection - ?
I'm going on a road trip over the weekend, so we'll see the results.

Other Comments - It's a beast to remove. I tested it with every type of microfiber and the Ultimate Wipe removed it the best. All the others wanted to smear even worse.

Total - ?



Water Beading / Sheeting vs. Actual Protection

I've heard about protectants that bead like crazy, but mysteriously allow contaminants to bond. Until yesterday, I had not experienced this phenomenon.

Here's point:
Is the protectant really protecting the paint? Sure, it may bead or sheet for a long time, but is the paint actually protected?

There's more to a protectant than just its water repelling properties. It seems like more and more people are looking for the ultimate beading product, but forget what the protectant is also expected to do.