M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

[BLACK _SLK]

Hey Guys...I've decided to try my hand getting out the swirls on my wifes Black SLK. I have the PC 7424, several new Lake Country pads ( Orange, Gray and White) and besides Meguiars consumer products, My local auto parts store now cares many of the pro line products. After looking at alot of the extreme makeovers , I've seen some wicked results from M83.

Would you use M83 and then go to another polish with less cut before the #7 Show Care glaze??? I have several bottles of scratch X around...ok between??? After the #7, would you top coat with another product like NXT???

another quick question to throw into the loop, would M83 be too aggressive for the lighter swirls in my Boxster?? I'm trying to get that perfect also

Thanks for your help!! I'm been learning so much just reading for hours a day and practicing on my daily driver, a Honda Element ( or as the wife calls it, the ugly milk truck..)

Wife's hood ( hard to tell, but look at the left...hood was repainted..reflections are blurry)


My Porsches hood ( Looks good overall...just want to bring it to the next level, light swirls, hard to see under this lighting)

[rhino1834]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

Do you have M80 its a little less aggressive than 83 but more aggressive than scratchx.

[Murr1525]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

Yeah, try some #80, you'll want more of it around than #83 anyway if you are working by machine. #80 is kind of the go-to product.

Also, I'm not familiar with Lake County Pads, but remember not to use a cutting pad with a PC.

[rhino1834]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

I agree

[BLACK _SLK]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

Thanks guys for the replies!

Which mequiars pads would use?? Does using a product like #80 (or #83 for that matter) become "milder" with different pads?? I stocked up on LC pads as they and the Sonus SFX pads seemed to be the most popular and used product on a boxster forum I belong to and I've seen good results. Meguiars pads are available also locally, but would rather use what I have up first...

How about polishing after with the #7 Show Care glaze?
from everything I've read I still don't know if it is a needed step. Would you use a consumer product like NXT or use another Pro series like #26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax ,or M21 Professional Synthetic Sealant????


Thanks for all of the replies, and keep the answers coming!!!

[Derrick]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

You will want to use megs W8006 and W9006 pads with something like #80 and a PC. If you use a less aggressive pad then yes it will be a less aggressive method. Just like using a wool pad with #85 is more aggressive than using #85 with a W7006 foam cutting pad. Polishing with #7 after something like #80 is not a needed step. Its optional, you may see a little difference if any depending on the car. A good way to decide is to use #80 and then hit a small area with #7 and step back and see if you can tell the difference. If you see something you like then all means go for it. Both the consumer and professional line waxes are great. With none being better than the other just made for a different market. NXT and #21 are basically the same from what i was told.

[Black Bart]

Re: M83, Show Car Glaze #7 good combo??????

In my opinion the meg pads are not any better than what you have now.
You should start with the white pad and #80 this should do what you need.
If you want to make it look even better follow the #80 with #3 but when you switch from 80 to 3 either use a clean pad or clean the 80 out of the one you were using.
You should have at least two white pads

[BLACK _SLK]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

Thanks guys for your help

I do have several of each of the LC pads, but I'm running out today and picking up a few Meguiars pads. And trying to find some #80.

Seems like there is alot of love around here for M80...should I just return the M83? I purchased the M83 after seeing alot of the Extreme Makeovers on this forum...Mike looks like he can do wonders with the M83! With the amount of swirl I'm seeing under bright light, and the imperfections I'm seeing with my wife's hood that's why I thought something a little more agressive like the M83 with a LC orange light cut pad. I tried scratch X with a white pad with little or no difference after three passes.

[Derrick]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

should I just return the M83?

no i would hold onto it because there is no garantee #80 will be able to tackle the job at hand. while many of us love #80 it may not be strong enough to remove all swirls depending on how hard the paint is so you may need to step up to #83 and then finish off with #80 so it will be good to keep both in stock

[Black Bart]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

You should always try the least aggressive combo first.
Try M-80 with a white pad and if you don't get the results after a few tries then you cam use the orange pad with 80.
The orange pad with 80 and PC set on 6 will remove some serious scratches.

[Black Bart]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

I keep a quart of 83 on the self but I buy my 80 by the gallon.
Once you get your paint in good shape you will have no need for the 83
If you are putting scratches so bad that it requires 83 to remove then you definitely are doing something wrong.
I prefer to focus on not inducing swirls then it is not necessary to constantly remove them

[bindog]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

out of interest... a regular pass ( say once every 2 months) with 80 on a megs yellow pad... how much paint are u actually removing?? on a hard cc paint...

[BLACK _SLK]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

If you are putting scratches so bad that it requires 83 to remove then you definitely are doing something wrong.

I purchased both the Mercedes and Porsche used..The Boxster's paint is in very good shape..I don't think I even need #80 (check avatar or photos at beginning of thread...may just use #7 and #21), just want the Porsche to be 100%...

The SLK had the drivers window broken into and it shattered all over the car..as a result the hood and trunk was repainted. The car was in prime shape before, but now there are imperfections in the paint..see photo above..kind of hazy, reflections have distortion, not alot of depth.

I'm trying to get the paint to the point that I never have to "de-swirl" (did I just make up a word )

The reason I joined this forum is there is so much knowledge between the pros and serious amateur that I want my black German cars to look better than the day the came of the show room..I won't be happy to they look like show cars or one of Mike's or Joe's details

[Murr1525]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

To really get perfection on the new stuff, you may have to go into wet sanding, which is defiantly more advanced than most people on this forum would do (myself included). Orange peel is quite different than swirls, and a paint cleaner can only deal with swirls.

That said, if you want to take the car to the best looks possible, at least cleaning/claying before polishing and waxing will always get the best results. #80 is fairly mild, and you can go even milder like #9/#82 if you wanted, before using a pure polish like #7. #7 has no cleaning ability, to really get the dirt out of the imperfections.

[Derrick]

Re: M83, ShowCar Glaze #7 good combo??????

I purchased both the Mercedes and Porsche used..The Boxster's paint is in very good shape..I don't think I even need #80 (check avatar or photos at beginning of thread...may just use #7 and #21), just want the Porsche to be 100%...

The SLK had the drivers window broken into and it shattered all over the car..as a result the hood and trunk was repainted. The car was in prime shape before, but now there are imperfections in the paint..see photo above..kind of hazy, reflections have distortion, not alot of depth.

I'm trying to get the paint to the point that I never have to "de-swirl" (did I just make up a word )

The reason I joined this forum is there is so much knowledge between the pros and serious amateur that I want my black German cars to look better than the day the came of the show room..I won't be happy to they look like show cars or one of Mike's or Joe's details

Well as Murr stated to get to perfection you will have to get into wet sanding to remove any orange peel and other defects but at the same time you will be working on a factory paint job so wet sanding can be very dangerous. Remember most real show cars that are just all around perfect are often built like that meaning they repaint the cars and add about 3 extra coats of paint just to be able to sand it back down to perfection but with a factory finish there is not that much paint to work with and you can easily eat right through a clear sanding on a factory finish. You can get the car to look near perfect though just follow what Murr suggested and that should get you going in the right direction