Show Car #7 - No durability?

[zerolam]

I read from other forum that Show Car #7 is no durability. Beside, it is oil based, so that we cannot put sealant on top. Is it true? I just bought it and going to apply it in this X'mas.

[Wolf-Strong]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

There is absolutely no bonding issue with any of the Meguiar's waxes. M7 isn't meant for as protection, just shine. The waxes, like M26, are what protects the paint.

I'm sure someone can post up some FAQ or links of the sort for the detailed info, but short and sweet, you will have no problems with the Meguiar's waxes.

[Nappers]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

There is absolutely no bonding issue with any of the Meguiar's waxes. M7 isn't meant for as protection, just shine. The waxes, like M26, are what protects the paint.

I'm sure someone can post up some FAQ or links of the sort for the detailed info, but short and sweet, you will have no problems with the Meguiar's waxes.

I agree.

There is a five step if you haven't read it.

Wash-two bucket
Clean/Prep-clay bar
Polish-with Meg's #7 of you like
Protect-wax of your choice.
Maintain-Ultimate Quik Detailer, I've experienced longer wax durability using this product.

Wash/Prep/polish/protect/maintain to your hearts desire. Remember, the polish doesn't need to dry. The only Meguiars product that dries is their waxes.

Aaron

[Sydster]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

I agree.

There is a five step if you haven't read it.

Wash-two bucket
Clean/Prep-clay bar
Polish-with Meg's #7 of you like
Protect-wax of your choice.
Maintain-Ultimate Quik Detailer, I've experienced longer wax durability using this product.

Wash/Prep/polish/protect/maintain to your hearts desire. Remember, the polish doesn't need to dry. The only Meguiars product that dries is their waxes.

Aaron

Here are some topics you can browse through.

Which products need to dry before removing?
Why Meguiar's Recommends Polishing Paint

[Murr1525]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

Just to make it clear incase the other guys werent specific enough....

A pure polish from Meguiars is just as you said, a bottle of polishing oils, that will make the paint look better, improve reflections, depth, etc. Many people with show cars will apply this product before a show because it looks so good, some might even say better without a wax on top.

But as soon as it is exposed to the weather, it will wear off. Obviously a show car wont be out in the weather.... but for most of our cars, we want to put a wax on top to seal it in, and protect the finish a bit from the dirt, etc in the environment.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

I read from other forum .....

Therein lies the problem. There is so much wrong information out there so coming to the source was a wise move on your part. As you now know only half of what you read over there was correct; #7 has no durability, that's true, but you certainly can and in fact should lock it down with a good sealant or wax.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

A few comments...


First the answer
#7 Show Car Glaze is not supposed to be durable because simply put that's not its job. It's a product for creating gloss, depth, clarity, richness of color and beauty. It's been around for at least 70 years and probably longer.


Exclusive and Unique
It's somewhat exclusive because most automotive polish and wax companies don't offer a product like this, they tend to have products that abrade and product that protect, but nothing in-between.

It's unique in that it's a non-abrasive product. Most products on the market with the name 'polish' on the label paint a picture in most people's minds of a product that contains abrasives and the primary purpose of the product is to abrade the finish. Serious, this is what most people think and there's nothing right or wrong about thinking this except there are exceptions to the rule or the norm and Meguiar's is the exception. And that's one of the duties of this forum and that is to clarify topics of interest like this.

Point being is that most products that have the name polish on the label fit this description, (an abrasive product), but that's not true for Meguiar's pure polishes. We offer two types of polishes, Cleaner/Polishes and Pure Polishes and while our Cleaner/Polishes do contain diminishing abrasives, our pure polishes are non-abrasive and simply put are for creating beauty on automotive paint finishes.

Legendary
Heck the fact that were discussing this product with pixels on a monitor via a world-wide public 24x7 discussion forum kind of makes the case without any more help from this writer.

Body Shop Safe
It also needs to be noted that this is a product in our Professional Line and is a product that is formulated so that it can be safely used on fresh paint, (less than 30 days).



The 5-Step Paint Care Cycle - Where durable fits in
Waxes, paint sealants or paint protectants, (whatever you want to call them), are supposed to be durable because the goal and the hope is that after the product is applied, and in most cases removed, the product will leave itself behind, that is the product will leave its protective components as a barrier-coating on the surface. You hope it protects your car's paint from damage and you want it to last a long time because that's how we people think about products like car waxes.

By the way, all three of these, waxes, paint sealants and/or paint protectants, are in the 4th step of The 5-Step Paint Care Cycle. The 4th Step is Step 4 Protection.

Step 1 Washing
Step 2 Surface Prep
Step 3 Polishing <-- #7 is usually applied at this step
Step 4 Protection <--Waxes/Paint Sealants are applied at this step
Step 5 Maintenance


Car waxes that have an actual waxy substance included, like Carnauba and other natural products, and synthetic formulas that are completely man-made, the products in both of these catagoies... protect the paint, thus regardless of what's in the bottle or can, regardless of the name on the label, if the product is designed to protect the paint by acting as a protective barrier-coating then the it's in the 4 Step or 4th category in The 5-Step Paint Care Cycle.

We post this because some people like to be very specific when they talk about their choice wax or paint sealant and we want to recognize this.


Optional Step
Meguiar's always states that polishing with a pure polish is an optional step, it's up to the car owner. Sometimes people come onto this forum and type things like,

"I applied #7 and I don't see a big difference?"

Not all the time, but often the person applying the #7 and then posting this type of statement is working on either a brand new car or a paint job in excellent condition, that is before they even apply any company's product... the paint is clean and shiny to start with.

Thus you don't always see a huge, dramatic difference and this is especially true of lighter colored cars. And keep in mind, for people working on brand new cars, the paint is supposed to look great to start with, sometimes this gets forgotten in the equation and all to often it's not true and in worst case scenarios your new car came with DISO which means Dealer Installed Swirl Option.

Summary
#7 Show Car Glaze is kind of one of those products that you really need to go through a bottle, working on a variety of different paint systems, and after some experience, then make up your mind.

Here's a pictures of a few bottles over the years...

Sealer & Reseal Glaze --> #7 Show Car Glaze - Same product, just a name change in the early 1990's



Here's some pics of a 1954 Corvette with single stage lacquer paint that has been cleaned, polished, re-polished and then waxed twice with NXT Tech Wax. The second polishing step was with #7 Show Car Glaze.







In about 3 weeks we're going to rub the paint on this car out with some #7 Show Car Glaze...




Hope this helps a little...

[zerolam]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

Thanks a lot for all replies. Although my english is not so good, i read every word with my dictionary.

I have two more question.
Q1
"That are two types of Glazes. oil based and acrylic based. With an oil based glaze, it can only be used under a carnauba wax, a sealant will not bond to it. You can put it on top of a sealant but then the sealant will not be protecting it and it will wash off after a few washes/rain storms. An acrylic glaze can but used under a sealant "
copy from another forum, Is it true?

Q2
I have swirl remover 2.0 too. Should i use it first and then apply glaze on top?

[Murr1525]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

No problem, where are you from?

Q1. Sounds strange to me... #7 certainly seems oil based, and Meguiars other waxes and sealants both work fine after it.

Q2. Swirl Remover 2.0 is a cleaner/polish. That means it has some cleaning ability, and some polishing oils in it as well. So yes, you would use it first, then see if you wanted to use #7 after.

[ozSS]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

i dont see how there could be any such thing as an acrylic polish? surely they all need to be oil based to work into the paints' pores?

[TXShine]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

Thanks a lot for all replies. Although my english is not so good, i read every word with my dictionary.

I have two more question.
Q1
"That are two types of Glazes. oil based and acrylic based. With an oil based glaze, it can only be used under a carnauba wax, a sealant will not bond to it. You can put it on top of a sealant but then the sealant will not be protecting it and it will wash off after a few washes/rain storms. An acrylic glaze can but used under a sealant "
copy from another forum, Is it true?

Q2
I have swirl remover 2.0 too. Should i use it first and then apply glaze on top?

You can use any of the Meguiar's waxes/sealants over the #7 or any other Meguiar's polishes/cleaner polishes without bonding issues.

[tguil]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

Mike,

"....It's been around for at least 70 years and probably longer (not quite)..... Exclusive and Unique.....Legendary......Body Shop Safe..." I guess that I have a lot in common with # 7.

Tom

[zerolam]

Re: Show Car #7 - No durability?

Thanks all you guys. You are very professional and very helpful. All doubt in my head is clear. Be honest, it is the first time i use #7.
I learn a lot when read the past posts in this site, i found a lot of useful information here which i cannot find in other site even they posted misleading information. I have to spend more time to increase my knowledge of detailing here.