car wash

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: car wash

Well what I was trying to get out of a earlier reply was as follows: In the pro-line is there a soap that has alot of the properties of the gc, but you wuold be able to buy it in the larger quantities. I hope someone can answer this.

[Murr1525]

Re: car wash

Shampoo Plus and #62 Shampoo and Conditioner seem to be reasonable comparisons to Gold Class.. probably #62 being closest, maybe better, hard for me to say yet.

Lets see..
GC 64oz ~$9.50 = 15c/oz

#62 128 oz ~ $24.00 = 19c/oz

S. Plus 128oz ~ $15.00 = 12c/oz

Hope that helps...

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: car wash

Thanks murr it really does. It looks like shampoo plus for me. Thanks again.

[OhioCarBuff]

Re: car wash

Should you be using NXT wash if you have a pure polymer wax on your paint, like NXT or #21, and Gold class if you have a carnuaba based wax? I'm wondering if NXT is designed to protect a polymer based wax best and the GC & DC washes are designed to best protect the carnuaba

[Murr1525]

Re: car wash

No, you can mix and match any of the product lines. You can kind of read some of the ideas in this thread, or others, and see what properties the different washes seem to have. All are safe for wax, but can give a little different results.

I think a lot of people may have more than one as well.... In the past, I haved used Nxt in the winter for cleaning ability, and Gold Class in the summer for good looks.

[Cheetah]

Re: car wash

not really. Both Nxt and GC have neutral Ph,m so they are both designed NOT TO remove wax...in my opinion thats the whole point of using car soap instead of for example dish soap...

I disagree. If you ask a lot of good detailers or read a lot of forums many of them will tell you that when they want to strip down NXT is one of the washes they use. If you have a nice carnauba on as your LSP you're not going to want to use NXT as your weekly wash. I'm not saying that it's going to remove all traces of wax but it is a strong soap. I wash my car once a week and wax every 2 weeks. I have a lot of car washes in my collection and in my experience when I use NXT there is a noticeable difference in the amount of perceived LSP shine and beading after using NXT. Therefore I only use it when I plan on doing a full detail.
Also, I don't know if NXT has a neutral ph or not but that is not the only thing that determines a wash's 'strength'. So basically you are saying that all soaps with neutral PH have the same amount of cleaning ability and that doesn't sound right to me.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: car wash

I disagree. If you ask a lot of good detailers or read a lot of forums many of them will tell you that when they want to strip down NXT is one of the washes they use.

I've never read that on a single forum, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. Fact is, NXT Car Wash soap is NON-detergent and pH balanced.

It does clean well in that it will remove dirt off your car.

Every time you wash your car whatever you use for a soap or for a mitt will act to wear off any wax or paint protectant because there's a physical contact between the mitt and the paint and if you look at the washing process taken to the extreme...

Does washing a car add wax to the finish?

If the answer is no, then what's the opposite of adding?

[Cheetah]

Re: car wash

Hi Mike,
I was hoping you'd pop in on this issue. I know you know much more than I ever will about car care so I trust your opinion.
However, I read often on other forums where people say this. I'm not saying they are right but this comes up quite a bit regarding NXT and I've even seen it on a European site that I also frequent. I saw it again on a post yesterday btw. In fact this is the reason I added NXT to my collection because of what I've read. Maybe what I see after using NXT is in my mind because I've convinced myself that it is strong. So it's possible I guess that a few people thought that NXT was quite strong and they spread the word and from that it has become 'accepted fact'. I don't know.

In your opinion, NXT is not any stronger than GC wash?

Thanks.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: car wash

Well both car washes, NXT Car Wash and Gold Class Car Wash have the same pH level, the biggest thing about car washes (or any product for that matter ), is that most products that are different are different because they offer different benefits and features and this attracts different types of people.

At the end of the day it's always going to come down to personal preference...

"Find something you like and use it often"


We would like to find a better Sig Line but this one always rings true for the job we do.

[Cheetah]

Re: car wash

Mike,

Ok. Thanks. I have a question about washes in general.
I read where people say such and such wash leaves the paint looking shiny or this wash makes the paint look good and that one has a different look etc...

Can you tell me what kinds of things a car wash does besides remove dirt?
Is there some kind of 'conditioning' that goes on? Are there oils to moisten the paint? Do some contain wax? Do different washes actually make the paint look different as being used than other washes?

Thanks again,

Erik

[pcfxer]

Re: car wash

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only way that a wash can change the look of paint is to either be left behind on the surface or remove/even-out the wax that is already on the paint.

If the sole purpose of car wash soap is to remove dirt from the paint surface safely, whilst maintaining the wax on the paint then it should also be removed from the paint completely before cleaners/polishes/wax is to be used.

Then again, there is the perception that the car WAS dirty and now that there isn't any dirt (loose dirt that is), the paint allows for a specular reflection (science term, I'm studying arghhh...it means STABLE reflections like one would expect) as opposed to a diffuse reflection. The difference, however, is large and people purport ideas on how certain washes have different 'looks'. Any argument with GC vs NXT wash really is nill, they are both good washes and do their sole purpose. If you're waxing afterwards anyway though, what's the point?

[Cheetah]

Re: car wash

Any argument with GC vs NXT wash really is nill, they are both good washes and do their sole purpose. If you're waxing afterwards anyway though, what's the point?

The point is these washes offer different benefits as claimed by Mike himself so some differences might make a difference to some people in some situations. I'm not sure what the differences between these 2 are but I don't wax after every wash so I'd prefer not to use the stronger one every week. The LSP that I use, and I won't mention the name here, costs $80 US a jar and has awesome looks but the durability is not the best in the world so I'd rather not use a soap that's let's say 10% stronger for arguments sake, than another soap on a weekly basis. I try to squeeze every cent out of that $80 so it matters to me. Another thing to consider is lubricity which to me is just as important as cleaning ability.

Anyway, I was just trying to find out why I often read that about NXT.

[bobbyt]

Re: car wash

Im curious what the difference is with the Deep Crystal wash in the purple jug. I picked up a couple jugs for $2ea cdn last year. Can I warrant spending $12 more on gold class?

[gb387]

Re: car wash

Im curious what the difference is with the Deep Crystal wash in the purple jug. I picked up a couple jugs for $2ea cdn last year. Can I warrant spending $12 more on gold class?

IMO Gold Class Shampoo is hands down the best wash in Meguiars consumer line. Deep Crystal Car Wash is a good wash, easy to find and inexpensive bet of all it works quite well. As for Gold Class Car Wash Shampoo & Conditioner it costs a little more still easy to find but it provides more lubricity and gives the paint a different look, on black its more a deeper darker look.

[Cheetah]

Re: car wash

IMO Gold Class Shampoo is hands down the best wash in Meguiars consumer line. Deep Crystal Car Wash is a good wash, easy to find and inexpensive bet of all it works quite well. As for Gold Class Car Wash Shampoo & Conditioner it costs a little more still easy to find but it provides more lubricity and gives the paint a different look, on black its more a deeper darker look.

This is what I'm talking about. What is it exactly about soaps that leave different looks on paint depending on which soap it is?