There is a new wax in town

[JG_Detailing]

Has anyone heard of the 5 Star shine?



And does it work like they say it does.

[Mike Phillips]

This product makes a lot of claims, but the most important thing to remember is that you don't want to let your finish go for months and even years without doing proper maintenance. (Unless you keep your car in a museum).

Bird droppings, bonded contaminants, oxidation, dirt build-up etc. all act to degrade your finish so believing in the idea of a once a year wax is usually not a good idea.

Try it and tell us what you think?

Mike

[Tim Lingor]

Hey,

I have tried a few different products (but not that one) that were supposed to last for years. In every case, I was disappointed with the results. Just IMHO!

But as Mike mentioned, give it a try and let us know!

Happy Holidays!

Tim

[Jarlhov]

First i must say that i'm a dedicatet Meguiars fan and and work as a Meguiars dealer in Sweden.I've tried the 5 star shine on my bmw. And i must say that the Beading is like no else pruducts i've tried the car is really easy to wash now. I've also had thje product on my car for almost a year and it fells and looks like when i just did the treatment. I can agree that you don't want to let your car be out of detailing for a year or more. But unfortunately at least in Sweden many customers asks for a pruduct like this (that gives great beading for a long time >8monts) And unfortunatley i've haven't tried any Meguiars pruduct that delivers that. I really thing that Meguiars should make a really durable "paint protection" that last at least as long as the 5 star shine. It would have been a best seller pruduct at least in Sweden.

Michael

[causticwindow]

here is a quote from a mini website but also check out the review.

http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25547

"Bonding with the clear coat would be bad in so many ways. This suggests that there are reactive sites along the polymer backbones which form the basis of the clear coat. Many clear coats use a two pack polyurethane system. The two components are highly reactive towards each other and quickly form the final urethane bond and therefore a crosslinked system. If a reaction were to take place between the clearcoat and the 5 star shine, this would have to happen at ambient temp i.e.~20°C. This also means that the there is possibility of other agents reacting with the clear coat and potentially destroying the coat such as atmospheric pollutants. Don't forget the gases which come out of exhausts are actually quite agressive. Not to mention bird excrement and acid rain.
The other problem with allowing reative sites to remain within a polymer is the unzipping of the backbone due to free radical damage.
What I don't disagree with is the polysiloxane chemistry which 5 star are using or at least what is quoted on the website. From reading the Zaino website it look like they are also using a system based on a trimethoxysilyl reactive group. This type of chemistry has been employed in polishes for 30 years or so. It works so why not use it. This stuff doesn't react with the clear coat, if it does it's only through the tiny fration of primary amine groups which remain uncured from the reaction which forms the clear coat.
The other thing which troubles me is their description of the electrostatic interactions which occur. There are no electromagnetic reactions, electrostatic yes. But then you'd get those anyway. There are plenty of electrosatic interaction between any wax and the clear coat.

We use PTFE lined reation vessels for doing some pretty hardcore chemistry at work, you will really struggle to get anything to react to that stuff. That is borne out in the table which they show, nothing reacts with it so how does my paint? The patent states that they are using micronised PTFE which is just dispersed throughout the system. All that will happen is that the polymerised siloxane will be deagraded and the very small chunks of PTFE will fall out. Granted that the PTFE may give a limited 'non stick' effect, but you've got to ask yourself how much PTFE is in there? Its pretty pricy stuff.

This product may well work and I'm sure some people are happy with it. I've got no problem with the product just the way its advertised. Just my opinion
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[01sc496]

A well timed thread as I was thinking of asking a similar question. A well-intentioned friend gave me a sample of a product called "Finish First" polish - anyone have any experience with this stuff?

I'm a dedicated Meg's user and am reluctant to really try anything else on my Saleen - might try it on my '94 S10 just to see what happens but wanted to throw the question out here.

Thanks folks....