This is really bothering me

[Thejoyofdriving]

This is a recurring subject, and i know, it has already been discuss but its killing me. Its the whole paste or liquid thing again. I have allways heard " they both offer the same protection and shine", for me, this just doesnt cut it. I cant accept that they offer the same protection and shine. They are so different, on is a liquid on is a solid, it just doesnt work. I dont know about you guys but i want to end this once and for all! The thing i really want to figure out is which one has better gloss and shine. NOW, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS discussion WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT WHICH ONE IS BETTER FOR HAND APPLICATION, NOT MACHINE.I was thinking maybe someone could do an experiment, i might do one myself. what do you guys think?

[Chex]

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hmmm that's an interesting question, and here's my opinion.

I do remember once reading that the difference between paste and liquid waxes, is the amount of wax contained in each one. liquid waxes tend to have more wax than paste but well...I read that like 2 1/2 years ago.

Now that I use both, I prefer liquid because I find it faster to work with. you just pour it in the applicator pad and you're ready to work. with paste waxes you have to hold the jar or can, stir the pad to liquefy the wax, and then work it on.

However, if you don't know how to work waxes (paste or liquid), you'll find both the same because you will be putting too much product and thus, wasting it.

now: Which one offers the best shine and gloss? the one that has the highest quality. BUT, if you use lets say, Meg's cleaner wax in paste and liquid, and did a test spot, you'd find both giving you the same results. Why? because they have the same formulation.

so IMO I prefer liquid because of the following reasons:

More practical to use.
spreads easier
Gives you the chance of using it with machines

And don't expect any difference when using the same wax in both presentations. If you use lets say, Megs cleaner wax in test spot, and in the other spot you used NXT or #21, then you could see the difference because both are different products.

Hope this helps

[Murr1525]

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It should be the same amount of wax, different amount of solvents, or whatever the right word is for what makes it stay liquid.

The paste will only have a little bit of solvents, while the liquid will have a lot.

[DFTowel]

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Also keep in mind that many liquids are polishes which makes them different from paste wax.

[Thejoyofdriving]

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This is true, but do you guys think that because of all solvents paste is going to provide any better results? I personally dont care paste or liquid, i just want to find out which one has an edge over the other one.

[Michael Stoops]

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There are key ingredients that make a wax behave a certain way, specifically with regard to gloss and durability. Other ingredients simply determine the state of the carrier of those key ingredients. In other words, these ingredients simply determine if the key ingredients are carried by a liquid or paste. If properly formulated these "carrier" ingredients should have no interaction with the key ingredients and hence no impact whatsoever on gloss and durability.

Don't get too caught up with the term "solvent". Water is a solvent in certain cases, at least for materials that are water soluble.

[the other pc]

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... I cant accept that they offer the same protection and shine. They are so different, on is a liquid on is a solid, it just doesnt work. ...

Yes, they are different. It can’t work.

And melting ice can’t possibly get you as wet as water poured from a bottle. One is a liquid and the other is a solid. It just doesn’t work.

And water from the sky can’t get you as wet as either melted ice or water from a bottle. Water from the sky started as a gas.

And butter that’s melted on toast can possibly be as fattening as a stick of butter. After all, one is a liquid and the other is a solid.

Come to think of it, since the mechanical form is so important and stick butter must be more fattening than liquid butter that must also mean that celery is more fattening than cream. Celery is a solid and cream is a liquid.

Meguiar’s asserts that their paste and liquid versions of a given wax are the same formula. I have no reason to doubt them.

The slab of wax you see/feel/smell in the can or the splash of wax you see/feel/smell in the bottle are mixtures. They contain both the active ingredients and the carriers that allow you to easily apply them to the surface.

When all is said and done, what matters is what’s left behind after the carriers are dried up and the residue is wiped away. If whatever is left behind is the same in both cases the resulting effects will be the same.


PC.

[Thejoyofdriving]

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They dont have the exact same ingredients , they may offer some of the same basic ingredients but i still doubt the are the same.

[TrufflePig]

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liquid is better.

you can be more consistent with the amount of product you use.
easier to use.

but they are both the same product.

[Thejoyofdriving]

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so you think they provide the same amount of gloss, correct?

[Ryan L.]

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Its the same generic formula, only the liquid one has ingredients that help it be a liquid and the paste a paste...go on to meguiars.com and look for the Material Saftey Data Sheets and compare the active ingredients, its only chemistry, not that hard

[TrufflePig]

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so you think they provide the same amount of gloss, correct?

correct.

[Thejoyofdriving]

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alright, i guess i am satisfied a little more, thank you for all your help!!!!!!!

[Michael Stoops]

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If you were to look at the ingredients in Coke and Pepsi, especially by volume, you'd find that both are basically the same thing (water, high fructose corn syrup, caramel color - trust me, I just read both cans) and it's not until you get to the last ingredients, the smallest by volume in the two, that you get down to what makes a Coke a Coke and a Pepsi a Pepsi. In the case of these two soft drinks, it's the small details that changes them and the major ingredients make them the same.

What I'm getting at is that it doesn't take much, by volume, to make NXT be NXT. Meguiar's just took that little group of ingredients and put them into a paste and a liquid to provide options to people.