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  • #1

    Micromarring after M80

    I tried to remove some swirls on the side of my black Lexus the other day using #80 and a PC7424 with 8006 pad. The swirls are gone but I see very tiny, "fiber-looking" marks that's invisible from afar but visible with closer inspection. I suspect this to be micromarring.

    I applied M66 twice using the PC and 8006 pad but the micromarring is still there. Any suggestions?

    I currently have the following on my shelf:

    DC1, DC2, #7, M66, M09, NXT liquid wax, GC wax, ScratchX

    As much as possible, I don't want to use ScratchX as it' too time consuming and tiring.

    Thanks.
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    Re: Micromarring after M80

    We've seen this with the paint on Lexus cars here at Meguiar's and the way we've fixed it is with either M66 or M82 on the dual action polisher with a tan finishing pad, instead of the polishing pad.

    These paints are very scratch-sensitive and can be very difficult to perfect, sometimes you might just have to do the best you can and then apply wax and the wax will mask the micro-marring. Not a perfect solution, but sometimes that's the deal.

    We've had great luck fixing the problem using a rotary buffer and following this with the dual action polisher with either M66 or M82 followed by wax but most people cannot use a rotary buffer.

    The problem has to do with the paint itself and the oscillating action which instills the oscillating micro-marring.

    We also seen this problme with some Audi's that came to our Wednesday night garage events.
    Mike Phillips
    760-515-0444
    showcargarage@gmail.com
    "Find something you like and use it often"

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    • #3
      Re: Micromarring after M80

      wow really they're that sensitive to scratching.

      Mike or others, do you know of any other car that is that sensitive.

      i know the MINI's aren't. so lucky me

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      • #4
        Re: Micromarring after M80

        Originally posted by TrufflePig View Post
        wow really they're that sensitive to scratching.

        Mike or others, do you know of any other car that is that sensitive.

        i know the MINI's aren't. so lucky me
        Here on Meguiar's Online, we never make blanket statements about specific models of cars because there are too many variables that could be in place, for example you could have a car that has been re-painted and because of this the paint on this model of car will be different from all the other cars of this model. Also car manufactures can change paint systems, how would we the consumers ever know if and when we did this.

        So knowing whether a paint is extremely scratch-sensitive and difficult to work with is always a case by case situation.
        Mike Phillips
        760-515-0444
        showcargarage@gmail.com
        "Find something you like and use it often"

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        • #5
          Re: Micromarring after M80

          Also just to note, a person's technique can greatly affect results, little things like reducing pressure after initial passes.
          Mike Phillips
          760-515-0444
          showcargarage@gmail.com
          "Find something you like and use it often"

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          • #6
            Re: Micromarring after M80

            Mike,

            If I use the 9006 pad to apply M66, do I apply it just like I apply M80 (slow passes, 15-20 lbs pressure, etc) or do I apply it just like I apply LSP (medium speed pass, less pressure)? Thanks.

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            • #7
              Re: Micromarring after M80

              You want to apply it like a cleaner/polish, that is start out by spreading the product out over the area you're going to work, and then make your first passes with medium to heavy pressure, 15 pounds or so and move the polisher slowly. The idea is to remove some paint and to do this you have to engage the diminishing abrasives with the paint itself.
              as you work the product, lighten your pressure and re-work each square inch.

              Try only doing a small section, you have to find a way to fix a small area, if you can't fix a small area you wont' be able to fix the entire car.
              Mike Phillips
              760-515-0444
              showcargarage@gmail.com
              "Find something you like and use it often"

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              • #8
                Re: Micromarring after M80

                Originally posted by Mike Phillips View Post
                Here on Meguiar's Online, we never make blanket statements about specific models of cars because there are too many variables that could be in place, for example you could have a car that has been re-painted and because of this the paint on this model of car will be different from all the other cars of this model. Also car manufactures can change paint systems, how would we the consumers ever know if and when we did this.

                So knowing whether a paint is extremely scratch-sensitive and difficult to work with is always a case by case situation.

                thanks mike. i didn't know if a list existed. just more curious.

                but i do know and have learned a person's technique can be the greatest result of anything both bad and good.

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                • #9
                  Re: Micromarring after M80

                  Originally posted by TrufflePig View Post
                  wow really they're that sensitive to scratching.

                  Mike or others, do you know of any other car that is that sensitive.

                  i know the MINI's aren't. so lucky me
                  Taking Mike Phillips' comment about blanket statements regarding paint hardness/softness into account, I can tell you that my 1999 Mazda Miata, with factory paint, is stupidly prone to swirls. It's quite frustrating actually. I'm not looking for advice at the moment as I've gone round and round on this with both Mike Phillips and Richard Lin (Octane Guy), I'm just commenting.

                  How sensitive? It's my weekend toy and I only put about 2500 miles a year on it. It lives in my garage, parked next to two other cars. They get driven regularly, washed much more often (maybe a 5:1 ratio) quick detailed far more often (perhaps a 10:1 ratio), and they don't get 5% of the swirls the Miata does. Seriously, the Miata is sitting in the garage right now, probably forming swirls as I type this, just to spite me. Li'l bugger.
                  Michael Stoops
                  Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                  Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Micromarring after M80

                    Maybe it's my technique, but I doubt it since I use 80 with good sucess on other vehicles, but my Grand Prix mars with 80, always has. I have great results however when I switch to 82 and a finishing pad...

                    Tom

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                    • #11
                      Re: Micromarring after M80

                      I had the same issue...not all over the truck. It seemed to vanish when I used #7 with a polishing pad and then #26 with a finishing pad.
                      Black......the ONLY color!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Micromarring after M80

                        i just wish we all wouldn't have to worry so much about marring and stuff on paint and having to use one product and then switch bla bla bla...

                        so frustrating at times...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Micromarring after M80

                          Just a note for anyone using a dynabrade: I have found that paint that will not finish out correctly with a DA(minor hazing, marring, etc.) will more often than not finish out just fine when using the dynabrade when using the same pad and polish. I suspect it has to do with the dynabrade's greater power and larger orbit.

                          The reason I mention this is that if you own a car with this type of finnicky paint, it may be worth it to invest in the dynabrade because not only will you more often than not get the desired finish, the dynabrade will break down polishes and correct paint much faster than a standard DA(but not quite as fast as a rotary).
                          I want 4" Softbuff pads!

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