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  • #1

    Oxidation

    I've used ColorX and like it for small areas of work (since it does equire a bit of elbow grease)

    but now I've got a car to do with considerable (read major) global oxidation...what are ya'll using to optimize results while not forgetting the time factor (I don't think I could finish the car in a reasonable amount of time with just colorX)

    DACP on a rotary?
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    Typically MPPC is my number one oxidation remover. I rely on 82 & 83 for more severe issues and decide what the next step(s) will be after I wash, clay and use MPPC.

    MPPC is hardly abrasive but removes oxidation quite well using chemical cleaners.
    Last edited by jfelbab; Jun 15, 2004, 02:00 PM.
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    • #3
      Hi 6318,

      Is this car with the Global Oxidation, a single-stage finish? or a clear coat finish?


      Mike

      p.s.

      I kind of like that term, i.e. Global Oxidation. I guess GO needs to go into the Acronym list?
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      • #4
        lol
        or we could call it 'GlO'...has a certain ring to it

        It has a clear coat finish...a black Lexus!...painful to see...

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        • #5
          Hi 6318,

          If possible, could you document the before and after of this particular detail?

          There are many people that don't believe clear coat finishes oxidize, it would be nice to have some good before pictures of a oxidized clear coated black Lexus.

          If you're going to use a rotary to machine clean this finish, I would suggest either of the below products with either a W-8006 or a W-8000 foam pad.

          #83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish

          Speed Glaze

          or even,

          Quick Detailer

          After the rotary step, I would recommend going over the finish again with either the #83 or the #83 with a PC and then apply your favorite wax.

          Mike
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          • #6
            There are many people that don't believe clear coat finishes oxidize
            Weird...
            ...now, granted I'm fairly new in this business and don't have the experience of many here, but I don't understand why clear paint can't oxidize (and become hazy) just like colored paint can...
            Where I work are multiple cars that should be clear coated with what APPEARS (I should say) obvious GlO...I'll try taking some pics of them and seeing if you agree...
            Last edited by 6318; Jun 15, 2004, 12:04 PM.

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            • #7
              The reason some people don't beleive clear coat paints oxidize is because clear coat paints oxidize more slowly than traditional single stage paints.

              It's also less apparent on a clear coat compared to a single stage.

              Mike
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              • #8
                Hummm. I've done a couple of black Lexus GS's recently and neither was clear coated. What year and model do you have and have you tested the finish to confirm it's clear-coated? Take a pad and some abrasive polish or a cleaner/wax to an inconspicuous spot an see if the pad turns black.

                My experience with these vehicles leads me to think that Lexus doen't clear-coat it's black paint.
                Last edited by jfelbab; Jun 15, 2004, 02:20 PM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jfelbab
                  Hummm. I've done a couple of black Lexus GS's recently and neither was clear coated. What year and model do you have and have you tested the finish to confirm it's clear-coated? Take a pad and some abrasive polish or a cleaner/wax to an inconspicuous spot an see if the pad turns black.
                  jfelbab has a great point, I made the mistake of assuming the Lexus had a clear coat being a high end luxury car and all, but it is possible that it's a single stage finish.

                  Test it for paint type to see if it's cleared or not, if it's not, I would be curious as to the year of the car.

                  If it is a single stage finish, you could still use the above product with the rotary, but be careful when buffing around edges and high points. There's no way to know who has buffed the car out before you and how aggressive they may have been.

                  Mike
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mike Phillips
                    flab has a great point, I made the mistake of assuming the Lexus had a clear coat being a high end luxury car and all, but it is possible that it's a single stage finish.

                    Test it for paint type to see if it's cleared or not, if it's not, I would be curious as to the year of the car.

                    If it is a single stage finish, you could still use the above product with the rotary, but be careful when buffing around edges and high points. There's no way to know who has buffed the car out before you and how aggressive they may have been.

                    Mike
                    Gee, Mike, I don't think I've ever been called flab before. Perhaps I'm not working out enough.

                    The two black GS's I recently detailed were a 1998 and a 2000.

                    When I bought my 2004 Lexus RX330 the salesman told me that none of the black paints were cc.
                    Last edited by jfelbab; Jun 15, 2004, 05:42 PM.
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                    • #11
                      this thread got me thinking of the difference on c/c and s/s paints, I know mike did an article on it and I can't find it. anyone know where I can locate it?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jfelbab
                        When I bought my 2004 Lexus RX330 the salesman told me that none of the black paints were cc.
                        I've heard the same thing about black Lexus.....SIngle stage only, no clear coat.

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                        • #13
                          Whoops! Sorry about that. This would be me clicking on the wrong option of the built in spelling checker for vbulletin. Sorry, I could have swore I clicked Ignore when spell checking.

                          Here's a link to a spell checker passed onto us by RockPick,

                          ieSpell

                          Over the years, I almost always copy and paste everything into MSWord, format and then spell-check my writing, and then copy and paste back into the vbulletin message window. This time I must have clicked the wrong option. Completely unintentional on my part.

                          I'll go change my mistake.


                          Mike
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mike Phillips
                            Whoops! Sorry about that. This would be me clicking on the wrong option of the built in spelling checker for vbulletin. Sorry, I could have swore I clicked Ignore when spell checking.

                            Here's a link to a spell checker passed onto us by RockPick,

                            ieSpell

                            Over the years, I almost always copy and paste everything into MSWord, format and then spell-check my writing, and then copy and paste back into the vbulletin message window. This time I must have clicked the wrong option. Completely unintentional on my part.

                            I'll go change my mistake.


                            Mike
                            Hey Mike,

                            Trying to shift the blame to Microsoft?

                            I was not offended, just pullin your leg a bit.

                            I've been called a lot worse.
                            Last edited by jfelbab; Jun 15, 2004, 05:43 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jfelbab
                              Hey Mike,

                              Trying to shift the blame to Microsoft?

                              I was not offended, just pullin your leg a bit.

                              I've been called a lot worse.
                              Yeah me too...

                              Mike
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