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    Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    We started off tonight's TNOG with a history lesson from one of our regular attendants. These were some of the tools & products he used from I believe he said the 1960's! 600 grit sandpaper was all they had to color sand a car to help with the texture after it was painted. Old School sandpaper, machine & compounds. Can you say technology has come a long way?!





    First project of the night was this 1965 Mustang which the owner has owned since high school! The owner was having some trouble getting the swirls & scratches out. We determined part of his trouble was the fact that it was so difficult to see the defects in this color paint! We ended up rolling it out into the sun a couple times to get a good look at the defects. If you have noticed, this is why we always say, multiple types of lighting sources is recommendation when evaluating for below surface defects and during your working process.







    The car had been painted 15 years ago. We first wanted to point out to everyone viewing the project that we are seeing essentially two layers of defects. It is hard to tell in this picture, but there are some straight line sanding marks likely in the primer layer. Obviously these are not coming out but it is something we want to be conscious of because it can trick your eyes; when working it appeared they were in the clear coat layer.



    Trying to look at the defects in the sun without being blinded by the light!



    We first started with Ultimate Compound on our DFC5 Soft Buff DA Foam Cutting Disc, 4800 OPMs, 4 section passes, moderate pressure, moderate arm speed. This combination eliminated about 70% or so of the defects. The shallow swirls & scratches were gone, but the car had a pretty good amount of RIDS (random isolated deeper scratches) which were not coming out all that easy. The paint was pretty hard or "resilent" to our processes.

    We then stepped up to M100 Pro Speed Compound on a clean DFC5 Soft Buff DA Foam Cutting Disc with similar technique to above. While this combination removed more defects, we still felt there was room for improvement.

    We have found some paints really prefer our DA Microfiber Correction System discs. You may have heard of this technique, before, and just to clarify from a company standpoint we can't really stand behind or guarantee performance since the following combination was not designed & tested for this use, but in general, M205 Ultra Finishing Polish applied via our DMC or DMF DA Microfiber Finishing Discs on a random orbital dual action polisher has proven to cut very well and also finish very well at the same time. This technique was deployed for this paint primarily because the paint was quite hard & "resilient." Below Mike Stoops performs a test spot with M205 Ultra Finishing Polish via DMC5. This combination proved to remove all the defects to our satisfaction, leave the paint with a great high gloss, and greatly improve the clarity in the paint. We followed up with a coat of Ultimate Paste Wax.











    The owner was a little excited we were able to help him determine a system which would work, so upon leaving he left us a little friendly burned rubber : )



    Next up was a headlight restoration project on this Chrysler 300.





    We started with our Heavy Duty Headlight Restoration Kit first step, the 1000 grit finishing disc by hand. While this combination worked well, and if we continued throughout the entire steps of the kit, it worked have worked fine but, there were some more room for improvement on the overall clarity of the light.



    Since we had access to the proper tools and the experience level to perform some more advanced sanding processes, we pulled out the big guns and demonstrated Meguiar's Unigrit 800 dry sanding disc via pneumatic DA Polisher. Oh we also took the lights out of the car! It made it much easier to work on them. Teamwork.



    After 800



    After 1000 damp sanding via pneumatic DA Sander



    And after 3000 grit



    We then remove the sanding marks with our microfiber cutting disc & D300 DA Microfiber Correction Compound. Next we used M205 Ultra Finishing Polish via a DA Power System Yellow Polishing Pad.





    Finally we used the new liquid wipe on coating included in our Heavy Duty Headlight Restoration Kit which has a ASTM certification for 1 years worth of protection from UV damage.



    Santiago and his buddy Jesus worked together to complete the other headlight assembly.



    And all done! The process takes a good amount of time to complete but it is worth it!





    Last project of the night was this dark gray corvette which was full of Random Isolated Deep Scratches & stains from the previous owner. With the night getting late, we didn't a whole lot of time to work on the car, but had just enough to figure out what it was going to take.





    M100 Pro Speed Compound via DMC5 DA Microfiber Cutting Disc & MT300 DA Polisher to the rescue. We didn't get a lot of before and after's from this project, but the combination, used on both 3 & 5 inch discs, proved to random deep scratches very efficiently, and left behind a high gloss finish with about zero haze in this metallic gray!





    Even though the entire hood was not completed, we put a coat of Ultimate Paste Wax on via MT300 & 4 Inch DA Power System Waxing Pad so the owner wasn't rolling around unprotected.



    Thanks to everyone for coming out!
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    Re: Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    That sure is a nicely restored '65 Mustang Fastback.
    Paint, interior, chrome, all of it is sweet. Glad to see one that has been with the owner for nearly 30 years being kept up so well.

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    Re: Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    Great write-up! I always like seeing the headlight restorations because it can make such a big difference in the overall appearance of the vehicle. I'm also glad to see the information about the ASTM 1 year with the headlight coating. Pretty cool.

    Soo...is the guy in the last pic the one who brought the show and tell and did the history lesson? As soon as I saw the first pic and your description of it, I was looking to see if he was there! Just a guess...If so, I would guess it was fascinating and had some really detailed (no pun intended) information.
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    Re: Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    Hi Lydia
    The gentleman in the image is Paul and is a far finer detailer than I.

    Actually the old history lesson came from the Old Bear.
    Although I brought in a sheet of 600 wet or dry sandpaper, I described what we used in 1966 for our 55 Ford.

    In 1966, at 16 and my brother Gene at 18, we didn't have much for cash. In those days, students could work, yet we were rarely paid a $1.00 per hour. Students were exempt from being paid minimum wage. I was lucky, because I had grown a paper route from 69 to 169 customers. Gene worked part time at a service station and might have made $1/hr.

    The family had a 49 Ford, which we painted British Racing Green when Gene was 16 and I was 14. We got lucky and purchased the paint from a shop in Orange California. Lucky because, the shop had an owner who between customers would share knowledge and guidance with teenagers about painting. We lived 25 miles away, so we had limited access, yet that guidance helped a lot. The shop was known for their ability to color match. Although I lost the name of he shop after my stroke, I am betting my brother Gene and also Barry Maguire could tell us the shop's name.

    The Shops Owner told us to watch the Penneysaver to see if someone had paint available and which brands were good quality. This was long before the internet, within a couple of weeks, we found 8 quarts of 1964 Chrysler Champagne Rinshed-Mason lacquer (very good quality) at a price we could afford and in our town. Looking back, I am sure the shop owner facilitated the purchase to help us and a customer who changed his mind on the color he was going to use for his car.

    On my paper route, I traded a fellow some labor to borrow his small compressor and paint gun. We used 320 grit to sand, then up to 360 prior to cleaning with Prep Sol (solvent) and priming. After the first coat of sanding primer, we would sand with 400, clean again and then apply primer again. Repeat if we needed to to correct any minor body imperfections. Sand with 400 and then clean again with Prep Sol before painting.

    We washed out the garage over and over to remove as much dust as possible. Then we shot on the lacquer. The finest grade sandpaper that we could find in the auto paint store was 600. We would wet sand very light, using the blocks provided by the owner of the shop. Then clean with Prep Sol and tack wrags. We eventually put 7 of the quarts of lacquer on the car. Due to patience, time and the occasional advice from the gentleman paint shop owner, we did really good.

    Image though it was not 100% perfect. We used 600 grit very lightly to color sand the final finish. At that time, I had not even heard of 800 grit. We used his suggested compounds to go from course to fine. Three steps. We valued tools, yet my hands and time were the ones we could afford. So at 16 I had the biggest crush on the cute 15 year old across the street. I would hand rub the car for hours during the summer waiting for her to come outside. Her Mom had a rule.... I was to stay outside the gate unless her Mom was home. Smart Mom! For a full summer, that crush helped me crush the task of three steps of progressively finer compounding.

    Gene recently asked me to go through the Family Trust boxes to find these two 50 year old images. The family had a very affordable camera. On average we usually could only have film processed once a year, due to cost.
    So with 50 year old faded images below, I hope you can still see that sparkling metallic amongst the champagne. Don't miss the custom bar grill, and the mini cone hub caps, surround by thin whitewalls with red lines.

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    Re: Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    Let's see if I can post the old images from 1966.
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    Re: Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    I promise I did not bore the TNOG guys with so many details.
    First off they would have wanted to know what happened with the neighbor across the street.
    Nothing.

    Gene and I won the lottery in the early '70s. They were different from today's lottery. We each got complete OD outfits, including field jackets.
    I obtained the Power Kraft dual speed grinder/polisher in the mid '70s. The first few cars I painted, ended up getting totaled by others days after coming out of paint.
    I did use it for sections that I repainted on my 62 Vette (sadly gone). The last two things I painted and buffed were the hulls on a high performance catamaran. And my 1948 Pontiac pedal car firetruck.

    It was interesting to bring the tools and products from the mid 1970s through 1980. They have changed so much in the last 30 years.


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    Re: Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    The brain finally remapped that section of memory for me.

    It is my pleasure to provide this link to an article on Stan Betz, the long time owner of Betz Speed and Color.
    http://www.ocregister.com/2013/10/17...eps-tinkering/

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    Re: Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    Thanks everyone I had a great time! I took the Mustang to the Balboa Car Show this morning, and had to take this picture when I pulled it out this morning. IT LOOKS AWESOME!! Now to finish the rest of the car. I will be back soon!

    Sorry about marking up the parking lot, it was an accident!

    [IMG]IMG_20170716_065016081 by kutzweb, on Flickr[/IMG]

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    Re: Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    Old Bear:

    Thanks for taking the time to type the story up! I found it very interesting! The pedal car still looks great! I enjoyed reading the article about Stan Betz also.

    I have one question - what is an OD outfit? And what made the lottery back then different from today? Just the amount of the jackpot?


    Dkutz: that picture looks great - very nice reflection!
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    Re: Pictures from Meguiar's July 13th, 2017 Thursday Night Open Garage

    For a few years, there was a special lottery drawing for young men. They put 365/366 birth dates in a fish bowl. They pulled one out at a time and numbered them sequentially from 1, 2, 3, 4, to 366. If your draft status was 1A and your number was a low number, you got an olive drab uniform and 24 (or more) months of employment. I totaled my 65 Mustang and injured my chest when it hit the steering wheel. No shoulder harnesses in those days. That moved me from Student Deferment to 1A. You were required to disclose your draft number and status in job interviews. If it was 1A and low, kiss the job or pretty much any opportunity to earn above $2.45 goodbye. If you had a low number, you were either drafted or went in to have a minor amount of voice in what you did for a few years.

    Our next draft will be difficult. With the voices for Equal Rights over the last 40 years, I see our young women as needing to be drafted too. I don't think the courts can decide any other way in today's political environment.

    I am glad I could remap memory and pull Stan Betz name up and link to the article.
    Here is a 2001 Huell Howser episode.
    At the very end, you see a couple young men benefiting from similar mentor-ship and how they volunteer to help him to pay back.
    https://blogs.chapman.edu/huell-hows...-visiting-905/

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