Not Happy...need to start over.

[Blueline]

Over the weekend I clayed the hood, roof and trunk, (will do the rest later) polished out some minor scratches with UC, UP applied cleaner wax number 6 over the whole clayed area, and then applied UW over it. For the most part, the black car simply gleams. Being somewhat A retentive, or a perfectionist, I want to redo the trunk. I am guessing I don't need to clay again, but is it best to clay to strip off all the wax and completely start over, or can I just strip off the wax job I did, with the cleaner wax, and then apply UC? Thanks,

[Lydia]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

You should be fine with Cleaner Wax then UW.

[Nick Winn]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

Any product with cleaning ability like cleaner wax or Ultimate Compound, or a clay bar will remove the existing wax on the paint.

Cleaner Waxes are designed as "all in one" or "one step" products. If you are going to perform a multi step process, you can get more durability & likely better gloss from using a wax without cleaning ability after Ultimate Compound & Ultimate Polish, like our Ultimate Wax.

[Blueline]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

Any product with cleaning ability like cleaner wax or Ultimate Compound, or a clay bar will remove the existing wax on the paint.

Cleaner Waxes are designed as "all in one" or "one step" products. If you are going to perform a multi step process, you can get more durability & likely better gloss from using a wax without cleaning ability after Ultimate Compound & Ultimate Polish, like our Ultimate Wax.

I am not a big fan of UC or UP, in that both, particularly UP is a pain to remove. Yes, I know not to allow them to dry. I only keep them on hand as UC is great to remove minor scratches, and UP is great at removing possible haze from UC. I would not even think of doing my whole car in UP is is so awful to remove, so that is why I use the AIO, as it does polish to some degree, and is easy to take off. I cover it with UW. Perhaps my process is not giving me that extra gloss but I am happy enough without have to deal with UP. Thanks to you and Lydia for your replies.

[greg0303]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

I am not a big fan of UC or UP, in that both, particularly UP is a pain to remove.
I would not even think of doing my whole car in UP is is so awful to remove

Sorry, but it does not sound right.
Is the paint on the dry side ? How is your experience with UC on the same paint ? Does it have a long buffing cycle ?

[The Guz]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

It's possible he has what some refer to as sticky paint which can be quite finicky with some polishes.

[Blueline]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

It's possible he has what some refer to as sticky paint which can be quite finicky with some polishes.

Never heard of sticky paint. Have heard of tacky paint, until it dries. LOL Anyway, I have the same annoying results using UP on a GM and a Chrysler, if that is any help. I don't know if either of those are in the sticky class. Perhaps it is just me, I just don't like the stuff. Have used compounds, and "kinda" expect UC to behave as it does, but never had a polish like UP be so hard to remove. Yes, I do not allow it to dry, but it does on the outer edges and is like cement to remove. I actually use my AIO to remove it. UP is terrific in removing any haze I might get with UC, if I get a little too aggressive in removing a scratch, but I just cringe when I have to use it. Anyway, thanks all. I just wanted to know if I would have to clay again to remove the existing wax, or just use my AIO again, and top it with UW. Thanks all.

[amblin83]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

If removing old wax layer and polish residual is the main concern I usually skip the clay and favor liquid based degrease instead. Such as sonax paint prepare and menzerna control spray. Much less labor intensive , no clay marks and does the job equally well especially when working with oil rich compounds.

[The Guz]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

Never heard of sticky paint. Have heard of tacky paint, until it dries. LOL Anyway, I have the same annoying results using UP on a GM and a Chrysler, if that is any help. I don't know if either of those are in the sticky class. Perhaps it is just me, I just don't like the stuff. Have used compounds, and "kinda" expect UC to behave as it does, but never had a polish like UP be so hard to remove. Yes, I do not allow it to dry, but it does on the outer edges and is like cement to remove. I actually use my AIO to remove it. UP is terrific in removing any haze I might get with UC, if I get a little too aggressive in removing a scratch, but I just cringe when I have to use it. Anyway, thanks all. I just wanted to know if I would have to clay again to remove the existing wax, or just use my AIO again, and top it with UW. Thanks all.

Sticky paint is a real thing lol. It's mentioned quite a bit over on Autogeek as some have stated that certain polishes become harder to remove on these kinds of paint.

I have never had a problem with the removal of either one. I don't use them as much anymore.

[Nick Winn]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

Never heard of sticky paint. Have heard of tacky paint, until it dries. LOL Anyway, I have the same annoying results using UP on a GM and a Chrysler, if that is any help. I don't know if either of those are in the sticky class. Perhaps it is just me, I just don't like the stuff. Have used compounds, and "kinda" expect UC to behave as it does, but never had a polish like UP be so hard to remove. Yes, I do not allow it to dry, but it does on the outer edges and is like cement to remove. I actually use my AIO to remove it. UP is terrific in removing any haze I might get with UC, if I get a little too aggressive in removing a scratch, but I just cringe when I have to use it. Anyway, thanks all. I just wanted to know if I would have to clay again to remove the existing wax, or just use my AIO again, and top it with UW. Thanks all.

Blueline sorry to hear about your trouble using our Ultimate Polish. I would actually encourage you to contact Solutions Hub (old name customer care center) and speak with one of our reps, stating you are having some trouble with the product & that you were wanting to get a refund or try something else. We are more than happy to do either. In fact, especially with so many variables with paints & different surfaces on cars, we actually want to know about your experience so we can document it, and also make it right with you! : ) Have you ever tried our M205 Ultra Finishing Polish?

Nick

[Jtepn87]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

I have noticed sometimes if I leave too much UP in a spot it can be difficult to remove. I've remedied this by quickly going over that spot quickly again. This seems to pull the build up off, and is then easy to wipe clean. It should be noted that I do this while using a da polisher.

[Blueline]

Re: Not Happy...need to start over.

Blueline sorry to hear about your trouble using our Ultimate Polish. I would actually encourage you to contact Solutions Hub (old name customer care center) and speak with one of our reps, stating you are having some trouble with the product & that you were wanting to get a refund or try something else. We are more than happy to do either. In fact, especially with so many variables with paints & different surfaces on cars, we actually want to know about your experience so we can document it, and also make it right with you! : ) Have you ever tried our M205 Ultra Finishing Polish?

Nick

Hello Nick. thank you for the generous offer of a refund, or to try another product, however, it is not necessary. I only occasionally use UP, as stated earlier, if I have gotten too aggressive with UC on small area, trying to eliminate a scratch. For me, it is a great product for very small areas, but I would never use it on a whole car. That fine. My little regime of claying, M6, and then UP, produces great results for me. It is not a show car.
My original post was not to complain about UP. Somewhere the purpose of the post went sideways. I had done a lousy job on my trunk last weekend, and just wanted to start over, and needed to know if I had to clay to remove my bad waxing job, or if M6 would remove the previous M6, and the cover layer of UW. According to the replies, I don't need to clay again. All is good. thanks.