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  • Honda S2000, 1st time with Microfiber DA system, need some help and advice please!!

    Ok, first post here so hello guys! Hoping somebody can help me with some advice on the system and the finish I have been left with after using it on my 2002 Nurburgring blue Honda S2000. (This colour is exactly the same as the Suzuka blue you have in the States).

    I am new to detailing properly - this being my first proper go with a machine etc, and I was using a DAS-6 pro polisher. I'll start by saying my car looks better now than it ever has, and I am pretty happy with the results - the paint looks a million times better than before I started and feels gloriously silky to touch. However, I'm a perfectionist, and although I know this will take me time to learn, I really wanted to say I was 100% over the moon with how it's turned out rather than just pretty happy haha. I know it can look better - I have quite a few areas where it looks like I have some light swirl marks and some light marring.

    I know that Honda paint is supposed to be notoriously soft, but I'm stuck at the point of wondering whether the swirls on the car which I can see under certain lighting conditions are remaining marks which I failed to remove with the D300, or if they are actually marks I have put into the paint WITH the D300, by being too aggressive and applying too much pressure with it. Some areas are much better than others. I'm not sure if these are areas that were not so badly marked before, or if they're areas where I just got lucky! If I'm honest thinking back I think I did start quite gently in terms of pressure where I was being cautious, and actually, I think these areas are the areas which look best. But it seems as I went on, the areas seem to be worse.

    I cleaned the pad well as I went around after every 2x2 section or so, but could it be that the pad having been used more becomes either 1. more abrasive and makes these small marks, or 2. becomes less effective at removing the defects already present? Maybe neither of those sound likely, I don't know - as I say, I'm new to this but these are just questions that are coming to my mind.

    And so now, where do you think is best for me to go from here? Could it be (as now I seem to have read on some forums regarding softer paint) that I should have used the D302 in between the 300 & 301, or maybe even the D302 (or some other polish even!) and then a separate wax/sealant as my LSP? And if so, could I now just re-wash and apply the D302 and further correct the defects, or do I need to wait for some time or clay again or do something else to remove the layer of D301 before I can proceed?

    If you have any experience with these cars in particular that would be great.. I really want to try and get every last swirl (within reason!) out of this paint, as it's a long old process and getting it under the street lights lay night and seeing quite a lot of marks still, even though they were much much improved, was still super disappointing! I used a 300lm LED light to spot for marks on the dull, cloudy U.K. day I did it yesterday, and yes I could see a few defects here and there, but under a street light at night, wow, there were much more than I thought!

    Really appreciate any advice / answers to my questions and being pointed in the right direction to getting this finished nicely.

    Thank you!!!

    Matt

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    Re: Honda S2000, 1st time with Microfiber DA system, need some help and advice please

    Do you have any pics you can upload?

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      Re: Honda S2000, 1st time with Microfiber DA system, need some help and advice please

      I have some yes but to be honest it looks good in them ha. I will try and get some showing the marks that are still there today. Thanks Joe!

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        Re: Honda S2000, 1st time with Microfiber DA system, need some help and advice please

        I use DAMF. They are fantastic liquids, and I suspect the DAS machine is not powerful enough to do any damage, even on presumably softer paint, with MF pads and Detailer liquids. The liquids are no more aggressive than the Ultimate ones, but it's not clear from your post if you are also using MF pads as well. Of course, pictures will help greatly.

        It's more likely in my view that you have simply not removed what swirling was there before you started.

        Also, I wouldn't compound the whole car in one go, then come back with polish over the whole car, and then wax. Dust and other particles can collect between steps, and then you'll come around with another pad and spread the particles around. One trick is to take the 2x2 or so sections as you have, but stop at a quarter panel, or hood, or some other larger area, but not the whole car. Check with a light. Compound again if you have to. Then polish that area, using a clean towel to ensure it's dust-free, perhaps polish again, and then follow with the wax. This also gives you a way to call it a night if you're not finished with the whole car, simply picking up with the next panel the next day. It also ensures you don't get tired and frustrated and under or overdo it, trying to get to the results.

        Try a test area, say a single small section, and see if it makes a difference with those tips. Also, don't put much energy into wiping the excess off. That is where even more swirls are born. D30x liquids are designed to wipe off with one wipe, especially D301 Finishing Wax, so don't buff it or anything. Assuming the test works to your satisfaction, just repeat over the car in larger sections. I wouldn't worry about trying to "remove" the previous wax or polish.

        Hope that helps
        Non-Garaged Daily Driver, DAMF System + M101, Carnauba Finish Enthusiast
        4-Step | Zen Detailing | Undercarriage | DAMF Upgrade |
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          Re: Honda S2000, 1st time with Microfiber DA system, need some help and advice please

          That's amazing mate thanks so much. Makes total sense doing all stages in sections rather than the whole car. Ans yes, I was using the MF pads.

          I've managed to get a couple of pics; but they're really not very good. But anyway, here they are. And thank you for taking (a lot!) of your time on that response. Very kind and really appreciate it.





          And here are a few of the car from a bit of a distance - looks good from these! Haha.

          URL=https://imageshack.com/i/pnwYUJRDp][/URL]





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            Re: Honda S2000, 1st time with Microfiber DA system, need some help and advice please

            To remove your fears that you caused any damage, you didn't. Those are just deeper scratches that you haven't removed yet.

            What you would see from D300 or any compound on soft paint is what is referred to as DA haze. This would be a very fine haze left on the paint from compounding and would not be deep scratches by any means. DA Haze is easily corrected to with your polishing step.

            Test spot is a must. This will help you dial in how many compounding steps you need to go through before polishing, etc etc.

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              Re: Honda S2000, 1st time with Microfiber DA system, need some help and advice please

              Upon looking at the close up pictures of the paint you provided, it does not appear to be DA Haze, it appears to be swirls & scratches that were not completely removed.

              On another note, if you would like, each MOL user has the ability to create their own albums, upload and store pictures within the forum. Once uploaded, you can copy and paste the image into your post. I tried to fix the above images for you, but ImageShack will not let me download them.
              Nick Winn
              Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Online Forum Administrator
              Meguiar's Inc.
              Irvine, CA
              nawinn@meguiars.com

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                Re: Honda S2000, 1st time with Microfiber DA system, need some help and advice please

                Thank you so much for your help guys, and Nicholas, really?! Well that's great news because actually doing it through imageshack (which I've not used before) was a royal pain in the you know what, so good; I will use that feature in future.

                Am going to have a stab at the car again and will post up how I got on.

                Thanks again

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