Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

[Merlin]

Re: Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

Using the least aggressive method first is always the way to go, in my mind though that would be M205 and a heavy cutting pad. A wool pad and M205 on a rotary actually is quite impressive for removing sanding marks. I have more pad options right now than I do compounds, but eventually I will pick up D300. Just not sure if I want to spend over $200 for a gallon of M101. lol.

I've had good results with M205 and a 5.5" Thin Foamed Wool Pad on a Rupes 21
To start, I'd probably start with D300 and Meguiars DMC5 DA Microfiber Cutting Disc.
If you have not tried M101 pick up a quart and give it a go. It finishes real nice too!
M101 is more aggressive than D300 but for cutting and finishing in 1 step it's sweet.

[DRaider90]

Re: Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

I am actually ordering the 5.5" LC Thin Purple Foamed Wool Pad (the one I am presuming you are speaking of) along with a couple MG MF Cutting Discs, and more than likely a quart of M101 (on sale for $37, can't beat it). The sales rep I did a full detail for (his girlfriends Mazda 3) today has a buddy that works at Meguiar's UK, so if all goes well might be getting a source for M101 Gallons.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

We currently have no plans to sell M101 in gallons here in the US, sorry.

As for product choice between M100, M101 and M105 for heavy defect removal, including sanding marks with a DA, both M100 and M105 will do the job superbly provided you make a habit of refining your sanding marks out as far as possible - 3000 grit is highly recommended although we've had repeated, great success using M100 on microfiber cutting discs via DA to remove 2500 grit hand sanding marks.

There is no doubt that M101 is the most potent of the three, but it can problematic (ie, dust) when used on microfiber/DA. Bang for the buck, M100 is really hard to beat in terms of both defect removal and user friendliness on a microfiber/DA set up. It is generally my personal go to compound these days, whether removing heavy swirls, spot correction with a wet sanding process, or when simply working on really hard paints.

[drumdan]

Re: Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

I hate having a ton of product around. So I limited my selection to M100, UC, and D300.

9 out of 10 times UC gets the job done. I've also had occasions where M100, and D300 totally saved the day. Well, at least made the process easier.

If you're on Autogeek, you can see some pics, and a brief write up I did using UC, a green Hex Logic pad, and PC 7424xp to remove 1000 grit sanding marks.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/members/dlc95-albums-ultimate-compound-vs-1000-grit-ultimate-polish-vs-2000-grit.html

[MicrofiberMan]

Re: Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

My selection of compounds at work has been limited to inferior products, and what is left of the Diamond Cut 2.0 M85 gallon that we have. I won't be able to order M105 (or M205) for a couple of months for my shop, so that led me to go buy a gallon of M105 ( and M205) out of my own pocket. I am also looking to move away from having to use a wool pad & high speed buffer for paint correction, and looking to use microfiber pads and a DA more often. I gained from the M100/M101/M105 video that while M101 isn't designed for a DA, it's a good choice to diversify your compounding selection. So I have 2 questions, first is M101 or D300 a better investment/supplement to M105? And will M101 ever be available in gallon sizes in the US? I am going to go out on a limb and guess M101 is a better choice than D300 (considering I need a compound that can remove wet sanding marks easily), but I wanted to get opinions considering M101 A.)Can't be found in Gallons and B.)Isn't exactly on the cheap side. This is important because I am not only doing volume at my regular job (Commercial Dealership Detailing), I am starting my own private detailing business also. So buying in bulk is a big factor. Any feedback appreciated.

i know this is an older post but you should try to turn in a reciept for those polishes, no company is allowed to make an employee pay for products, i know you did it out of ur free will. but still, turning in the receipt will be good because a u will most likely be paid back and b you will let them know they are using **** on the customers cars

[Merlin]

Re: Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

We currently have no plans to sell M101 in gallons here in the US, sorry.

As for product choice between M100, M101 and M105 for heavy defect removal, including sanding marks with a DA, both M100 and M105 will do the job superbly provided you make a habit of refining your sanding marks out as far as possible - 3000 grit is highly recommended although we've had repeated, great success using M100 on microfiber cutting discs via DA to remove 2500 grit hand sanding marks.

There is no doubt that M101 is the most potent of the three, but it can problematic (ie, dust) when used on microfiber/DA. Bang for the buck, M100 is really hard to beat in terms of both defect removal and user friendliness on a microfiber/DA set up. It is generally my personal go to compound these days, whether removing heavy swirls, spot correction with a wet sanding process, or when simply working on really hard paints.

Personally I have found that of the three M105 is the most problematic for me on a DA. M105 on a rotary (wool, etc. pad) cuts like a sweet banshee.
M100 (for me) didn't give me enough cut on a DA with a microfiber disc. My fav for a DA is M101. Yes, it dusts a little but IMHO not as bad as M105.
My sweet spot is: A DA with microfiber cutting disc, two drops of M101 and two drops of D300. This gives me an excellent cut & finish with no dust.
I think I'm going to combine M101 and D300 in a squeeze bottle and call it MD401! Following MD401 with M205/finishing pad makes a great two step.

[Top Gear]

Re: Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

Merlin, I'm in the same spot. I use M101 then DAMF, but maybe I'll try combining M101 and D300 into one step (MD401, I like that). D300 seems to dust just as much, I've found, just pink instead of white. However, because M101 is so much more aggressive, I don't have to spin as fast or as long for the same work, and that alone cuts down the dust. Then with D300 as a separate step, I'm not using it for cut but as a post-compound or pre-polish tone/color thing (pink, yellow purple makes blueish DAMF finish on black), so again, don't have to spin as fast, so a lot less dust. Have you compared D302 to UP/M205? I prefer D302 in most cases, as it's more of a supple polish, but I still use UP for one-shots sometimes by hand.

[Merlin]

Re: Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

Here's an old vid I found on the M10x products.

Like I stated, I use the combo of M101 and D300 on the mf disc to reduce the M101 dusting.
For me this is a killer combo for normal paint correction.

Depending on the paint, I use different finishing polishes. UP is an excellent consumer product.
UP is also my go-to for removing "prior detailer" installed holograms.

M205 and D302 are also excellent finishing polish products.
I'm not sure which of the three of them may have residual polishing oils that at may "fill".

[drumdan]

Re: Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

Last month I helped a friend with polishing out some of his vehicles. One of which was to be a compound, polish, and seal....

Before I finished with the work truck, he started sanding with 1500 grit..... I only had my 1st gen PC 7424 with me...

So I slapped on my green Hex Logic, grabbed my M100, and got to work. It took a few hours, but I was able to get the job done.... Some of the tracers remained because he beat the daylights out of that paint. I never seen anyone put all their body weight into sanding! It was horrifying.

There's pics in my Autogeek profile that showcases Ultimate Compound removing 1000 grit on my car. I have pretty soft paint though.

[drumdan]

Re: Situation with D300, M105, M101, & M85 (Two Questions)

Here's an old vid I found on the M10x products.

Like I stated, I use the combo of M101 and D300 on the mf disc to reduce the M101 dusting.
For me this is a killer combo for normal paint correction.

Depending on the paint, I use different finishing polishes. UP is an excellent consumer product.
UP is also my go-to for removing "prior detailer" installed holograms.

M205 and D302 are also excellent finishing polish products.
I'm not sure which of the three of them may have residual polishing oils that at may "fill".

I love Ultimate Polish too. Still my favorite detailing product to work with.