Can I wash the car with UWWA then use DA power system with UC to correct the paint?

[Toki]

Hello,

I've just bought DA power system and Ultimate wash and wax anywhere to start detailing and correct the paint on my car, but I have a big doubt, this will be my plan for next week:

- Wash the car with UWWA
- Clay the paint
- Do a test spot on a small area of the target panel, that will be the hood.
- Start correct with DA power system burgundy pad and Ultimate Compound, followed by yellow pad and UP, then black pad an UW.

Will UWWA limits the correction power for the DA power system and UC or ruin the pad?

Do I need to strip the wax off in some way prior to start correct the paint or the clay bar will be enough?

Any thoughts?

Note: where I live I can't use the 2 buckets method and I can't find D114 easy, so I've bought UWWA/D115.

Thanks.

[The Guz]

Re: Can I wash the car with UWWA then use DA power system with UC to correct the pain

A clay bar may strip it off the paint. UC will for sure but the wax could hinder the performance of UC. You could do an IPA wipe prior to doing any correction to remove the layer of UWWA leaves behind.

[Toki]

Re: Can I wash the car with UWWA then use DA power system with UC to correct the pain

Thanks The Guts!

What do you mean with IPA wipe?

[The Guz]

Re: Can I wash the car with UWWA then use DA power system with UC to correct the pain

Good article on how to mix IPA.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/31183-how-mix-ipa-inspecting-correction-results.html

It can remove polishing oils and most waxes.

[Toki]

Re: Can I wash the car with UWWA then use DA power system with UC to correct the pain

Thank you for the informative link, I've read the article but basing on what Mike Phillips say now I've more doubt, maybe Michael Stoops can bring a light here:

Mike Phillips from AutoGeekOnline
Chemically Removing Waxes and/or Paint Sealants
Note this article is addressing the dilution strength for removing compounding and/or polishing lubricating oils sometimes called fillers during the paint correction steps. You can also use this to try to remove any previously applied wax or paint sealant, but while I was speaking with one of my chemists friends about this topic they told me that Isopropyl Alcohol is not effective at removing some polymer products.

Since there's no way of knowing at the molecular level what's on the surface before you wipe, and no way of knowing if 100% of everything has been removed off the surface after you wipe, therefore there's no way of knowing if IPA, (in any form) is effectively removing 100% of any previously applied wax or paint sealant. You can hope... you can assume... but you can't know 100%


If you're dead set on removing any previously applied wax or paint sealant by chemically stripping the paint, then a combination of using both a 10% solution of IPA to Water followed by wiping with Mineral Spirits should remove most, if not all, of any previously applied wax or paint sealant.


Personal Recommendation For Removing Waxes and Paint Sealants
To remove any previously applied wax or paint sealant, I recommend using a light paint cleaner or a light polish applied by hand or machine. A light paint cleaner or abrasive polish will effectively remove any previously applied wax or paint sealant AND leave the paint looking clear and glossy. I call this working forward in the process because the goal is to create beauty.

Chemically stripping the paint will tend to dull the paint; it certainly doesn't increase gloss and clarity. You don't see the dulling effect unless you're working on blackpaint and repeat the process multiple times. Since not everyone works on black paint, and you're not going to make stripping your car's paint a daily routine, it could be you won't see the dulling effect on your car's paint but it does take place.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Can I wash the car with UWWA then use DA power system with UC to correct the pain

The polymer protection afforded by UWWA/D115 is both generous and slick. If you use this immediately prior to a paint correction step it may actually slow down the process at first. But there are a lot of variables at play here - how much product you use, are you claying first (in this case it appears yes), how aggressively are you compounding the paint, etc. Since the DA Power System does not have the same level of punch as the MT300 it might be a good idea to follow The Guz's recommendation of an IPA wipedown between the application of UWWA and the compounding step. Yes, claying will remove some of the polymers left behind by UWWA but if they're really fresh (ie, you laid them down immediately prior to claying) then the clay process alone probably won't remove all of it.

But before you do the full IPA wipedown of the car, do a test spot: Clean an area on the hood with UWWA, clay it, then work a small area with the DAPS, burgundy pad and UC. If you get the results you're looking for, then you can most likely skip the IPA completely. If you find you're not making much progress, give the area a quick IPA wipedown and hit it again with the DAPS. If you now see a noticeable difference that is then an indicator that you'll have to IPA the whole car before correction.

[Toki]

Re: Can I wash the car with UWWA then use DA power system with UC to correct the pain

Sorry for the late answer.

Thanks Michael Stoops for the informations, unfortunately it seems hard to find IPA where I live, so I've managed to wash the car at an automatic car wash, now I drove 150km and the paint seem clean, my idea is to use a quik detailer to clean the hood then clay it and then start to correct it with the DAPS skipping for now the cleaning with UWWA/D115, what you thought? Do I risk to correct a dirty paint and so I should use D115 anyway??

[davey g-force]

Re: Can I wash the car with UWWA then use DA power system with UC to correct the pain

It sounds like you'll be fine with just a QD wipe.

[Toki]

Re: Can I wash the car with UWWA then use DA power system with UC to correct the pain

Great davey g-force!

And what about cleaning some Meg's Bug and Tar remover that maybe I've to use on the front of the hood? Should it be ok passing some quik detailer after it and then start correcting with DAPS and UC?

[davey g-force]

Re: Can I wash the car with UWWA then use DA power system with UC to correct the pain

Yep, that sounds fine too.