Issues with Ultimate Compound

[SwedishCanadian]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

When you get a swirl free finish followed by some decent sealant/wax, it can actually look pretty dern good from a distance with a layer of dust.
It takes the glass look out of the equation and creates depth. Sounds goofy but works for me. The dust or rain plus debris still bothers me immensely.

Sounds like you need to black wax the whole car.
When it gets dusty(no matter how much), I use a rinseless wash. You might want to get some D114.

And if you spend $500 paying someone to remove the defects our friendship is over
We can tell you how to spend $500 so you don't have to spend $500 again.

But what's the reason for the area treated with wax looking extra dusty? Then when wiped off, completely normal? Not a trace from any kind of treatment. :O

[Spazzz]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

But what's the reason for the area treated with wax looking extra dusty? Then when wiped off, completely normal? Not a trace from any kind of treatment. :O

After washing, Ultimate Quik wax will help tone this down. At least in my findings D156(Quik wax) as a drying aid does that for me.
Also the dust will show up more on a finish that has been refined.

But are you saying that it appears that there is no difference between waxed and not waxed? There simply has to be a difference.

I am sure after a complete wash with the right lighting you would be able to see areas that look different.
Finding the right combination of polishes/sealants, etc. that please YOUR eye is the key.
Being picky is the first step in detailing....and you have the first step down....that's a compliment.

Hopefully some of the other guys jump in with their take.

[Spazzz]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?23479-Can-wax-attract-dust

[SwedishCanadian]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

After washing, Ultimate Quik wax will help tone this down. At least in my findings D156(Quik wax) as a drying aid does that for me.
Also the dust will show up more on a finish that has been refined.

But are you saying that it appears that there is no difference between waxed and not waxed? There simply has to be a difference.

I am sure after a complete wash with the right lighting you would be able to see areas that look different.
Finding the right combination of polishes/sealants, etc. that please YOUR eye is the key.
Being picky is the first step in detailing....and you have the first step down....that's a compliment.

Hopefully some of the other guys jump in with their take.

Ah, guess the recent waxing in that area will attract more dust then.

The car got a complete detailing like 2-3 weeks ago, "showroom ready", so even if I waxed certain areas just few days ago I haven't been able to see any difference even in direct sunlight and from various angles. I guess the waxing done 2-3 weeks ago is enough to make the shine look the same, but the fact that some parts where waxed only two nights ago has made those areas to attract more dust?

Btw, am I the only one that feel like a compete douche when I inspect my car from
every single angle there is for 5 minutes at a public parking?

[davey g-force]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

I too have found that recently waxed areas seem to attract more dust.

Btw, am I the only one that feel like a compete douche when I inspect my car from
every single angle there is for 5 minutes at a public parking?

Don't worry, most of us here are like that. Just wait till you start doing it to nearly every car you see, not just your own!

[tguil]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

SwedishCanadian,

For what it's worth. My Dodge Ram had a few more swirls and micro-marring than I thought it had. 2 1/2 hours with a dual action polisher and Meg's Ultimate Polish took care of that. I waxed it with Meg's Ultimate Wax...another hour. It most certainly was not a $500 job. My Ram looked so good, I took on my wife's Tacoma. Again I used a dual action polisher and this time Meg's ColorX cleaner wax. No more swirls or marring and a nice layer of wax. This took only an hour. Time for your to buy a dual action polisher. Just git-r-done.

[SwedishCanadian]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

Thanks for the info!

I wonder if it will work for me. I had my car detailed few weeks ago, showroom ready, was told it included polish and waxing, still swirl marks however. Nothing severe but definitely there!

[davey g-force]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

...showroom ready...
...still swirl marks however...

To me, that's a contradiction!

[SwedishCanadian]

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To me, that's a contradiction!

I agree, but that's how they do it. I looked closely at the cars in their show room and they do have swirl marks, you just can't see them in that light.

[Top Gear]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

And so it begins, Swedish. You touch up one spot, that leads to something else, the new car starts to age and get swirly, and pretty soon you're hooked on getting that black to look perfect. It never ends, but it's doable, and sooo awesome when it looks right!

Anyway, I can't believe you haven't had any holograms with UC working by hand. That's how I got lured into the next step, dual-action polishing, after working some UC by hand. I'd fixed a bad scratch, but left my signature behind

Now, it could turn out that the Black Wax has only covered the UC hazing temporarily, so brace yourself. You'll know after some rain and washes. It may need a separate polish step and re-wax to fully correct the hazing, and it may take a machine.

BTW, the extra dusting has to do with a worked surface that's still wetter/oilier than the other surfaces, but there's also static cling generated from working that surface (trying dusting off pollen to illustrate this). Add any condensation and the excess moisture attracts even more dust/grime. A quik detailer and/or quik wax can sometimes help make the surfaces less "sticky" in that way...or make them much, much worse (dirtier) if it's humid out.

Welcome to the challenging and rewarding world of black car detailing

[CJOttawa]

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Meguiar's is good stuff!

I'm new to detailing too but have been advised to go with the least aggressive compound that will get the job done.

Ultimate Compound is an aggressive abrasive.

You might need to buff this out with a less aggressive polish - something like Ultimate Polish, Mirror Glaze #82, SwirlX or #80.

[Top Gear]

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Welcome to both Canadians! Swedish, you already posted these questions and got some responses...did we not address your concerns? Let us know.

Basically, the answers are:
1. Yes.
2. Yes.

CJ is also right regarding polish. Many times you can work an area with something like Ultimate Polish and get the results you need, or you can follow your compounding with polish to further refine.

However, I'm sorry to sound negative, but I can tell you from my own experiences with a then new black car, and my progression in detailing techniques with the help of this forum, that working by hand with compound and polish on black paint is a losing battle. Any of us can wash and wax a car by hand, and you might be able to deal with some minor defects for now by hand, but this is a black car. You can and will create more problems by hand rubbing, and eventually, your newish black car will attract its own visible defects (rock chips, swirls, scratches, etc) faster than you can keep up with by hand. You'll get more and more frustrated, too!

I highly recommend you get a DA of some kind with either the thin foam discs or the MF pads and get comfortable with using it. You'll never look back

Fortunately, this forum, one of the very best on the web, is here to help!

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

For the record, we've combined the two identical posts into this single post, keeping all info and discussion in one place.

[TXTeacher]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

Just want to give a big Thanks to The Guz! Your advice is always spot on and directly addresses the problem while offering products and techniques. Your encouraging approach gives me the confidence in buying the right Meguiar products. No kidding!
I have a black 2005 G35 and want to do a rinseless wash, then clay and wax. Thinking seriously about UC followed by a Meg cleaner/wax.

[The Guz]

Re: Issues with Ultimate Compound

Just want to give a big Thanks to The Guz! Your advice is always spot on and directly addresses the problem while offering products and techniques. Your encouraging approach gives me the confidence in buying the right Meguiar products. No kidding!
I have a black 2005 G35 and want to do a rinseless wash, then clay and wax. Thinking seriously about UC followed by a Meg cleaner/wax.

Glad I could help.

Sounds like you have a good plan to get your G35 looking good.