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  • #46
    Re: First time clay baring

    Another great thread where the community steps up and helps out the "new guy" with a whole list of Q&A!!


    Just a couple of notes here:

    Waxing, or any other sort of care on plastics, metals, etc: Keep this in mind - the substrate is nowhere near as important as the top coat material you are working on. For example, the newest 5 Series BMWs have body panels that range from steel to aluminum to composite to urethane, but they are all covered in the same paint. Therefore, regardless what's under the paint, all panels get treated exactly the same way. Every modern car on the road today has urethane bumper covers and, with the exception of some SUVs and light trucks, they are all painted. Even your typical "alloy wheel" is painted. They aren't bare metal, so since you're working on paint it doesn't matter if the wheel's structure is aluminum or steel - if it's painted, treat it like paint. Most carbon fiber pieces these days have a clear coat on them - it's basically just paint so treat it like paint.

    How long does the positive effect of claying last? Until the next time the car is exposed to something that could heavily contaminate it, or it's exposed to something sticky enough that it grabs hold quickly. That could, quite literally, be the day after you do a full detail. Or it could be a year. It all depends on exposure. Same goes for swirl marks and other below surface defects. You could spend a three day weekend dialing your ride to total perfection, then take it through a really lousy tunnel wash with old rotating brushes and it's swirl city all over again. What all that means is that maintenance is as important, if not more so, than all the corrective measures you take to make the car look great in the first place. In our Saturday Detailing 101 classes everyone wants to know how to remove swirls and other defects from their paint. We believe that the most important parts of the class program are the washing and maintaining sections. Those steps are, after all, the times when you run the greatest risk of creating swirls in the first place. If you don't create them, or at least minimize them, you don't have to fix them. Simple in concept, a bit trickier in execution!
    Michael Stoops
    Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

    Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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    • #47
      Re: First time clay baring

      Hello everyone.

      First i I would like to thank Michael Stoops for that info. I guess I though a fresh wax would make my car impervious to some air borne containments for at least a little while. Now that I have learned some actual good advice and knowledge from everyone on here and from many MANY on line resources, I now know how silly that really was. Especially since I am talking about a daily driver that doesn't even get to "sleep" in a garage at night and I am in the hight of pollen season. Now for the the reason I am here again. My cousin just gave me a PorterCable 7424!!

      It is just the machine and whatever backing plate it has on it. My cousin told me the wrench used to change the backing plate is gone. My question is what kind of stuff should I buy for it? Besides the wrench? What pads would be good to use? I plan on just using a polish like Meguiar's UP and waxing with it as my car is new and being white it does not have, or at least SHOW any visible SWIRLS or major defects. The worst defect I have found is some staining. As in slight spots that will not come off with just a clay and wash and you have to put your face right on the car to even see them.

      Any help on products or equipment is greatly needed and appreciated. Also is this a good machine?

      Thank so much
      Mike
      Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and somebody yells SHUTUP!!

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      • #48
        Re: First time clay baring

        Congratulations on your new acquisition. You'll find that keeping your car in top shape is going to be much easier and faster now. Don't worry about hurting your paint with the PC, you would have to use the tool like a hammer to do so. Since you're on a Meguiar's forum, the first products I'd suggest are from the Ultimate Line: Compound, Polish and Wax (liquid or paste, your choice).

        You can order a new wrench from Porter Cable and it's only a few dollars.

        You'll want to get a 5" backing plate and Meguiar's 5" thin pads, these things are awesome, you'll probably want AT LEAST 4 each of the cutting and polishing pads and maybe 1 or 2 finishing (waxing) pads.

        Meguiar's also has several 'How To' videos on the web about machine polishing, which is a good place to start getting an idea of the proper way to use a PC.

        Good Luck and have fun.
        Don
        12/27/2015
        "Darth Camaro"
        2013 Camaro ... triple black
        323 hp V6, 6 speed manual

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        • #49
          Re: First time clay baring

          Thank you Don. I can't wait to get am my new "tools" lol. I do love Meguiar's Ultimate line so far so I will defentally go with the UP as your suggested. And thank you for the info on pads and backing plate. One question, is there a difference in backing plates. Like is one better than another? And I will defentally be staying loyal to the Meguiar's brand regarding pads and other products. I remember my dad using Meguiar's products and it's just a cool memory for me so maybe that is why I love them. Lol plus they work so well and easy to use. So I should just look for "thin" pads as you suggested or do I need more info as far as type of pad goes. I haven't had time to search for these items yet but when I have time this evening (I HOPE) I will be ON IT

          MIKE
          Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and somebody yells SHUTUP!!

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          • #50
            Re: First time clay baring

            As far as the backing plates go, I think they're pretty much equal, I just happen to have the Meguiar's plate, I ordered it the same time I ordered the thin pads.
            Don
            12/27/2015
            "Darth Camaro"
            2013 Camaro ... triple black
            323 hp V6, 6 speed manual

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            • #51
              Re: First time clay baring

              Well I finally have free time. So I am going to order my supplies. I am going to be getting 4 pads of each (cutting, polishing, and waxing). Some Meguiar's Ultimate Polish, backing plate and a wrench. I was just wondering if anyone knew a good place to get all this. Should I just use Meguiar's on line or does anyone know of a site that migh have "package deals" I AM going to look around but it's going to be about an hour before I can,, and I figured I'd see what you all think. Sorry for all the silly questions. Lol. But I feel like a kid at Christmas again

              Mike
              Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and somebody yells SHUTUP!!

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              • #52
                Re: First time clay baring

                Lol... Know what you mean!

                Autogeek has all the items you mentioned. If you become a member, they frequently have sales, which they will let you know about.
                Originally posted by Blueline
                I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                • #53
                  Re: First time clay baring

                  Sweet Davey thanks. As soon as I get home I'm gonna start my shopping there and see what it looks like.

                  Mike
                  Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and somebody yells SHUTUP!!

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                  • #54
                    Re: First time clay baring

                    No worries.

                    They have a sale about every week, with anywhere from 15% to 25% off. You might want to time it so it coincides with one of the sales.
                    Originally posted by Blueline
                    I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                    • #55
                      Re: First time clay baring

                      You have quite a few places to order from:

                      Auto Detailing Solutions - probably the best place to get the pads. http://www.autodetailingsolutions.ne...ch-bundle.html

                      Autogeek and Autopia Car Care are both owned by PBMG. They are having sales almost once a week.

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                      Detailing.com

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                      Of course amazon. Not sure which supplied sells the replacement tool for the PC.
                      99 Grand Prix
                      02 Camaro SS

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                      • #56
                        Re: First time clay baring

                        Wow. Talk about fast and compete answers!!! You two rock! I am off to check these sights out. I will let you all know what I ended up getting when I am done. Time to go spend some money!!!!!!

                        Mike
                        Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and somebody yells SHUTUP!!

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                        • #57
                          Re: First time clay baring

                          Sorry all. I haven't had time to do my little shopping trip yet. Been busy. I hate it when Stupid responsibilities and real life gets in the way of what I really wanna do. But I wanted to check in and tell ya that I still am gonna get the stuff I think I need and will let you know how that goes. Plus I know I'll have more questions before I actually start.

                          Thanks again all
                          Mike
                          Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and somebody yells SHUTUP!!

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                          • #58
                            Re: First time clay baring

                            Hi again all. Well I am FINALLY ordering all my stuff. In fact I am sitting on autogeek.com as I type. I have found everything I need. But now I need to choose pads. And advise you could give me and as soon as possible I would love. Just a reminder I have a porter cable 7424xp. I am ordering a 5 inch backing plate as well. What size and type of foam pads (thick or thin, and more important size) would you think would be best for a beginner. I am mostly going for polishing and waxing. I will be using ultimate Polish and ultimate wax.

                            Thanks again
                            Mike
                            Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and somebody yells SHUTUP!!

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                            • #59
                              Re: First time clay baring

                              I'd say get the new Meguiar's thin foam discs.

                              They are still fine for beginners, but will be able to correct more / faster if/when it's needed in the future.

                              You want the 5.5 inch. If you can, get 4 x cutting, 4 x polishing and 2 x finishing.
                              Originally posted by Blueline
                              I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                              • #60
                                Re: First time clay baring

                                Thanks so much I am looking now
                                Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and somebody yells SHUTUP!!

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