"Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

[synoptic12]

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[The Guz]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

What are you implying?

It does not hurt to spread the word there as well. Giving heads up to others is indeed helpful.

Thank you very much for the assistance and forgive me of my rudeness. It is somewhat irritating to spend 31K and have this happen. Thanks.

I'm pretty sure it's correctable. But I will let Michael Stoops chime in with his detail knowledge.

[synoptic12]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

It does not hurt to spread the word there as well. Giving heads up to others is indeed helpful.



I'm pretty sure it's correctable. But I will let Michael Stoops chime in with his detail knowledge.

Thank you very much.

[synoptic12]

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This video is not relevant to the topic but felt some may be interested in viewing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKZY8phXG0Y

[larry0071]

I honestly have not used a natural wax in a few years, I've come to the conclusion that for my vehicles and the type that I do for others, a natural wax isn't a good choice now that we have synthetics that closely rival the depth of shine that used to only be provided by natural products. My go to synthetic is Four Star Ultimate Paint Protection and it seriously outlasts anything natural while giving a look very similar to that of carnauba. I'd attributes recommend that you give it or the Meguiars Ultimate liquid a try.

[synoptic12]

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I honestly have not used a natural wax in a few years, I've come to the conclusion that for my vehicles and the type that I do for others, a natural wax isn't a good choice now that we have synthetics that closely rival the depth of shine that used to only be provided by natural products. My go to synthetic is Four Star Ultimate Paint Protection and it seriously outlasts anything natural while giving a look very similar to that of carnauba. I'd attributes recommend that you give it or the Meguiars Ultimate liquid a try.

I've always used carnauba and Meguiar's at that. I am well aware of the synthetic products. Tried the Turtle Wax Ice some years back and was not impressed with the look. It provided a hard finish, and very durable coating but carnauba is the foundation of excellence (my opinion). Meguiar's Gold Glass is an excellent carnauba and am impressed with the shine, and as to how it is applied and removed. To me, the Gold Class Meguiar's is the finest carnauba wax. I am familiar with all the brands; synthetic and carnauba. However, I'm staying with Meguiar's forever: "No more enticing product brands".

When you initially made mention on using CG and I saw your yellow Camaro, I believed that the staining would be difficult to detect with that color, or maybe any darker color. Nice wheels by the way. Actually I've never heard of the Four Star, or maybe the sealer eludes me. One of my friends applies some type of sealant over the entire vehicle at his business. He's been trying to apply that to my vehicle. No charge, but there is no way I will use any sealer, such as Zaino, or any other. I'm old school, maybe ancient school. In a sense, sometimes the old is better than the new.

* You just can't beat carnauba, and Meguiar's at that. Thank you for the support and assistance. Trying to find a product that can remove the 'yellow' staining. In reality, this is a trivial matter, and meaningless. However, I like to keep my cars flawless. Thank you again.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

Before we delve into this issue, we want to remind everyone here that we have a very strict rule against bashing, whether that be bashing of a person, product or company. There is right way and a wrong way to voice an opinion or even frustration over an experience and, quite frankly, as strong as synoptic12's comments are regarding this current issue, he is not guilty of bashing. He has a legit complaint with images to document it.

Now, as for the issue at hand. We have, in the past, seen some issues (rare that they are) of certain waxes staining white paint with a very light yellow tinge. For some bizarre reason, it only seems to be an issue on urethane bumper covers, and all we can surmise is that certain chemicals in certain waxes (again, this is very rare) somehow interacts with the chemical flex agents in the paints used on these flexible bumper covers. To be very candid, this is merely an educated guess. The issue does not occur on the painted metal panels, only on the panels that utilize a flex agent in the paint. Remember, these bumper covers are painted by the supplying vendor of the parts. They are not painted with the rest of the "body in white" at the main factory/assembly plant. Since that is really the only difference between the paint on the bumpers and the paint on the rest of the car, it almost has to be the reason. Otherwise, the product would stain the entire vehicle and not just the urethane bumpers, and that is just not something we ever see.

Come to think of it, we have also seen this issue (again, on rare occasions) on white gel coat boats. No flex agent there, and we're also talking a gel coat on true fiberglass and not paint over urethane so any "chemical interaction" would be different. Nonetheless, we have seen it on white gel coat and it does indeed fade away after a couple weeks of exposure to the sun.

That said, it is a bit strange that the only staining seen on synoptic12's Challenger is right in the crevices. Could it be that the product was applied heavier here and therefore had a greater potential for whatever chemical in the product to leech into the porous upper reaches of the paint and interact, ultimately creating this staining? Again, just a bit of an educated guess here, but since those areas tend to pull a heavier load of wax off the applicator pad, it at least makes sense that there might have been a heavier application there. Exactly why it has happened is not totally clear, and we certainly do not have access to the formulation of the particular product used since it's not one of ours.

But there is some good news, which we're sure synoptic12 would like to hear right about now!! Every single time we've seen this sort thing happen, it fades after a couple of weeks of sun exposure. While we can certainly appreciate that anyone would rather have an immediate fix for the situation (personally, I would be beyond ticked off, but my personal tendencies don't come into play here, so I'll move along!), our strong recommendation is to give it a couple of weeks to see if it naturally fades. We fully expect it to, and since you're in Naples, FL, you still get a good dose of sunshine this time of year, synoptic12. If the yellow does not go away after a couple weeks of exposure, then you might want to pursue other options with the manufacturer of the product.

We certainly feel your pain, but give it a couple of weeks before you take any other action. But please report back to us here on MOL, regardless if the staining fades or not. Again, we fully expect it to fade naturally in a few weeks time.

[synoptic12]

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Thank you very much Michael. I certainly appreciate the in depth analysis you have documented. In fact, you are correct as to the wax being applied more heavily in the crevices. As I noticed this, after one or two months, I attempted to remove the excess with a toothpick. However, the above layer of wax which was crusted was removed but the yellow stains were left. Apparently, I should have been more careful in these areas (crevices). The fact is, I've been using Meguiar's forever and have never encountered any issues with the properties of Megs.

The fact is, the vehicle is rarely driven and garaged all of the time; hardly ever seeing any sun. Whether this action would suffice as recommended by you is unknown at this point. I have not heard of this aspect on the sun removing these 'yellow' stains, then again I do not know everything. As I have mentioned Michael, this is a trivial matter, meaningless and worldly. At this point, I'll just leave the staining there. To be honest, one must use a magnifier or look very closely at the staining. Again Michael, I am thankful that you have taken the time to provide an honest response and have given direction to the end result.

[synoptic12]

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Forgot to mention that Autopia Car Care has a dedicated Chemical Guys area.

Joined today and was banned today (forever). There seems to be a group of kids running the show. Somewhat surprising for a .org. The consensus I received from about seven people were off track and many continued with remarks that were comedic in nature. I never expected that type of reaction from a car forum. However, I was banned for posting too many negative comments, 'If you can believe that'. Well, things always happen for the best, so I believe that what people brandish against others shall return to them in multiple ways.

Michael did respond and very professional. I do not know him personally but the framework of the content Michael posted is good enough for me. There will not be any other who could present or clarify the situation more so. To me, this is the word of a person I can trust. Thank you very much for the support you have provided as well (The Guz). We remember everyone as each have to give account to Our Master at the end of days.

[Michael Stoops]

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Out of curiosity, how long ago was this wax applied and the staining showed up? You mentioned the car spending a lot of time in the garage so might we suggest a bit of the ol' killing two birds with one stone (not that we advocate animal cruelty, so don't anyone go taking that for anything but the old adage it is!! ) - drive the car on several sunny days, give it some exercise, let the sound and feel of that HEMI engine put a smile on your face while the sun's warming rays fade the yellowing away. What could be better?

[synoptic12]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

Out of curiosity, how long ago was this wax applied and the staining showed up? You mentioned the car spending a lot of time in the garage so might we suggest a bit of the ol' killing two birds with one stone (not that we advocate animal cruelty, so don't anyone go taking that for anything but the old adage it is!! ) - drive the car on several sunny days, give it some exercise, let the sound and feel of that HEMI engine put a smile on your face while the sun's warming rays fade the yellowing away. What could be better?

Thank you very much Michael. To begin, the wax was applied about 4 to five months ago, as the car has been in the garage. Taken it out a few times. I decided to wash and wax a couple of days ago. After washing, I then noticed some spots I missed. One was on the bumper and the remainder were in the crevices (pictures in thread). Your synopsis of events relating to the excess of wax applied is certainly correct. I usually take more time in detailing but had been busy. So, the end result were some 'yellow' stains imprinted on the fiberglass edges ( pictures provided). Even though the excess wax was left for an overly long period of time, would that fact cause the staining (yellow)?

I don't mean to disappoint you but I opted for the DOHC Pentastar V-6 (Fleet motor). I did not care for the MDS associated with the Hemi (where four cylinders close when no power is needed). Chrysler had intentions on placing the MDS in the V-6, then decided against doing so. This led me to believe that the engineers found something which would be detrimental to the motor. There have been quite a few issues with the Hemi, namely the chain. Valve guides have been an issue as well. Due to these existing problems, I purchased the DOHC. This motor has good mid range torque, and gets out of the hole fairly quickly. By the way, the motor has been fabricated and designed with the use of a supercharger (in the future). Whether this comes to the floor is unknown. Chrysler, now (FCA) keeps everything close to their belt as any automaker would.

I don't mean to bother you with car details but when I write, sometimes I cannot stop. Irrespective of the above, your noted emphasis in red is the way it should be. To P.M. someone is fine when conferring about matters not relevant to the topic. I rarely use P.M. and when I do, it is usually on a cordial basis, or to speak one on one relating to an issue. If some are complaining through P.M., I believe that this approach hides the fact of the person's true intentions. We were taught to be open and outright, publicly, as Our Master has told us.

[Michael Stoops]

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Understood about the V6 versus Hemi. And it's really, really hard to bother or bore me with car related info: I grew up outside Detroit during the heyday of the American Muscle Car, with my dad being an engineer at Chrysler. Cars are sort of in my blood, so this job was a natural.

As for my notes in red, that is just part of my signature line that goes out with every single post I make. As you can imagine, with my contact info being so readily available, I sometimes get buried with emails asking questions that are readily available on the forum, and questions that often make for great discussions here. The comments are not aimed at anyone in particular, just intended to be attention grabbing and, hopefully, getting people to think about posting to the forum rather than just hitting me up directly. I hate ignoring people, but I have to make priorities someplace, and we have an entire staff in our Customer Care Center to handle that sort of thing. Alas, not everyone picks up on that as I sometimes get very large amounts of email with some rather basic questions. All in a day's work, I suppose!!

Back to your car. That this staining has been present for several months now is not really what I wanted to hear, but if the car has also been garaged most of that time then limited UV exposure isn't helping the cause, either. I wish we had a better answer than "give it time", but especially considering this has occurred with another manufacturer's product, it's really about all we can offer.

[synoptic12]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

It is understandable that no help is forthcoming on the part of this forum. I was just seeking a solvent I could use to eradicate the yellow staining, but no big deal. Seeing that your dad was an engineer at Chrysler, I would really relish his opinion on the below video which I posted to YouTube. Your opinion Michael would be appreciated as well. Hope you don't dislike me for the video, for many have viewed the video with varying opinions, mostly negative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1UZdwkXzqI

in any event, your time, and the support you have provided are most appreciated. I contacted Oates out of Pennsylvania and never heard from them. The faith is far more important than all of this triviality.

[Jarhead0754]

A stupid question but have u thought about giving it a wash with some dawn and claying those areas and possibly using a little UC/UP and then using say ULW? I'm sure u tried everything and my suggestion is prob worthless, but just thought I'de throw it out there.

[synoptic12]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

A stupid question but have u thought about giving it a wash with some dawn and claying those areas and possibly using a little UC/UP and then using say ULW? I'm sure u tried everything and my suggestion is prob worthless, but just thought I'de throw it out there.

Thanks very much. I don't believe that a clay bar will work. Basically clay removes surface contaminates close to the surface in the clear coat. Anything embedded under the surface is difficult to remove. Dawn is a mild detergent to strip wax, "will not work". I'm unfamiliar with the terms you are referring to UC/UP and ULW.

I would appreciate it if you could clarify those terms. I see your displaying the semper fi logo. Did a brief stint in the marines back in the 70's. My nephew did a couple of tours in Iraq (Balad) in the signal corps. Came home in one piece by the grace of God. Left as a Sgt. Get back to me when you have time. Thanks.