D114 Rinsefree Express leaves anything behind?

[flakey]

I live in an apartment and have water restrictions so wash my car with Optimum No Rinse over the weekends. While it plays well with Optimum wax and Sealant, it definitely alters the look/sheeting/beading of my other expensive paste waxes. I love using Carnuba waxes free of any synthetic material and hate how ONR alters everything about them. Is the D114 significantly different and does not leave any polymers or anything behind? It is not distributed by Meguiars in India yet so I will need to spend a fortune to import it from UK or US so would like to know the real deal.

[b-rad]

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I believe it is body shop safe which would lead me to think it leaves nothing behind? I have seen it used just before applying a glass coating which also made me think the same. Maybe someone with more knowledge on the product will chime in on the subject. There is a video floating around the forum regarding D114 and D115 that Megs did at Autogeek with Mike Phillips that explains the purpose of both products I believe.

[Eldorado2k]

D114 has no polymers in it and is described as simply a wash. Ideal for using prior to claying & compounding the paint. Jason Rose went as far as saying not to expect added gloss/or much gloss from this, yet I've seen a couple of vids where users of D114 are very happy with it, especially happy with it's ease of use.

D115 is the 1 that's pretty similar to Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere and in that vid Jason Rose says this is ideal for maintenence washes as it leaves it's own polymers/wax/added shine behind. The same results can be achieved by spraying D156 After washing with D114.. But then of course you're having to go around the car twice.

[davey g-force]

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I dunno... even though D114 may not be specifically formulated to leave anything behind, I would still think it leaves 'something'.

Just by virtue of the fact that it's not being rinsed away - just wiped off - leads me to believe this.

Would be interesting to see what Mike Stoops has to say...

[Michael Stoops]

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There are no polymers in D114 that will be left behind on the paint. If you use D114 at a very strong dilution ratio, like 6:1, it will actually strip your wax. But when used as directed, 1 ounce of D114 to two gallons of water as a rinseless wash, it won't leave anything behind. Having said that, we have seen those video reviews where people comment on a boost in gloss after using D114 and quite frankly, it has our chemists a bit stumped. According to them, there is nothing in D114 that should boost gloss, yet many claim to observe just that.

[C8N]

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Paint will actually squeak after D114.
Never had that happen with ONR in my experience.

[tiSS'er]

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There are no polymers in D114 that will be left behind on the paint. If you use D114 at a very strong dilution ratio, like 6:1, it will actually strip your wax. But when used as directed, 1 ounce of D114 to two gallons of water as a rinseless wash, it won't leave anything behind. Having said that, we have seen those video reviews where people comment on a boost in gloss after using D114 and quite frankly, it has our chemists a bit stumped. According to them, there is nothing in D114 that should boost gloss, yet many claim to observe just that.

Having recently converted to D114 for both waterless and rinseless washing, I find that D114 leaves the car looking clean, much like a 2BM method traditional wash. I don't find that it adds gloss, but rather it's what D114 doesn't do that is what makes it so great. Having used products that are polymer heavy, though they do leave a short lived shine/gloss on the car, they detract from the original look of the LSP, UPW or ULW in my case. I also find that they polymer heavy products if used regularly do seem to build up and takes away from the crisp look of my car. The reflections are muted. With D114 the look of the LSP is not changed. If I need to add gloss, I can hit up the car with D156 which will add some real protection.

Here is my review of D114 compared to the others.

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?61777-D114-vs-UWW-vs-ONR-Vs-Pinnacle

[tiSS'er]

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Paint will actually squeak after D114.
Never had that happen with ONR in my experience.

HA! I noticed that too. I kept thinking my car was squeaky clean. Super slick feeling too.

[flakey]

Re: D114 Rinsefree Express leaves anything behind?

There are no polymers in D114 that will be left behind on the paint. If you use D114 at a very strong dilution ratio, like 6:1, it will actually strip your wax. But when used as directed, 1 ounce of D114 to two gallons of water as a rinseless wash, it won't leave anything behind. Having said that, we have seen those video reviews where people comment on a boost in gloss after using D114 and quite frankly, it has our chemists a bit stumped. According to them, there is nothing in D114 that should boost gloss, yet many claim to observe just that.

Thank You for the detailed response.
I looked up the MSDS for the product and "Propylene Glycol" is listed as an ingredient. Isn't that a polymer? I'm no chemist, just trying to get as much information as possible.

Also, it must have something that it manages to clean without rinsing, so aren't we leaving behind "something" on the paint?

[Michael Stoops]

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Thank You for the detailed response.
I looked up the MSDS for the product and "Propylene Glycol" is listed as an ingredient. Isn't that a polymer? I'm no chemist, just trying to get as much information as possible.

Also, it must have something that it manages to clean without rinsing, so aren't we leaving behind "something" on the paint?

Well, technically you could consider propylene glycol as a polymer but that doesn't even begin to tell the story of this ingredient, or D114 overall. The word "polymer" simply refers to any large molecule made up of repeating subunits. DNA is considered a polymer, and so is styrofoam, but the two have virtually nothing in common other than the fact that their molecular structure is comprised of many parts [in Greek, polus (many) meros (parts)]. Just because something can be classified as a polymer does not mean that it's is a crosslinking, bonding material.

Propylene glycol is a component used in anti freeze, but it's also used as a preservative in food and tobacco products because of its hygroscopic (water attracting) properties. In D114 it plays a role in the overall cleaning and encapsulating process because of this property. It is not the sole reason for the cleaning ability of D114, don't misunderstand, just a component in the entire mix.

D114 and other "rinseless" wash products don't need to be rinsed off because they are not soaps in the sense of a traditional car wash. Rinseless washes don't just add lubricity like a car wash soap does, but rather capture and encapsulate the dirt, allowing it to be safely pulled from the surface; any residual product is then simply dried from the surface. Traditional car wash soaps don't behave this way, which is why they are not safe to use in a rinseless process. But the interaction of the components in D114 and other rinseless washes gives them the behavior that allows for not only a rinseless wash process, but a clean wipe off as well. It may well be that other products do indeed contain some sort of polymer that does get left behind, and that's perfectly fine. Unless, of course, you perceive it as somehow altering the appearance of your paint, in which case it may not be the right product for you. But from other posts in this thread, that is not the case with D114 from even a real world, in practical use, standpoint.

[Selectchoice]

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...because of its hygroscopic (water attracting) properties...

Hey Mike, can you explain why my car always seems to become far more 'hygroscopic' just after I've finished washing and drying it off?

[ibleed]

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This is for Michael Stoops really. I watched a video of a couple of Meguiars guys demonstrating Rinse Free Express Wash and the Wash&Wax version. One of the guys was talking about the body shop safe properties of D114 and it seemed to me that he was saying it was tough enough to remove silicone contamination from a panel. I've done some painting and know that silicone is feared by painters, mostly I believe, because it is VERY difficult to remove all traces from a panel. Can you confirm to me that D114 can indeed remove silicone or grease or oil from a panel and if so, what dilution would be required for this. Thank you.

[LeMarque]

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Bump

I know this is an old thread but at the 6:1 ratio could this replace an IPA wipe down?

[fphillips]

I believe it's 15:1 for IPA wipe.

[Michael Stoops]

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6:1 for full IPA replacement with D114.