D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

[jarred767]

Single stage is becoming more and more rare, but I still bump into a few of them here and there - usually Toyota White. I've got a white 4runner I'm working on today, customer doesn't want to go crazy on it, just clean it up as best possible as it's pretty badly oxidized. I've washed and clayed and will be going over it all with M80 because it needs the extra oils.

Curious if you guys would suggest M66 or D301 as the last step if I want to try and rejuvenate the paint as best possible in just one step after the M80? Thanks!

[J4o2el7]

If the paint is really dry I know you will want something with heavy oils, the compounds will dry real fast!

[The Guz]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

Both of those should work fine. You could try a test spot to see which looks best. Another thing to consider for next time is that ultimate polish has more polishing oils and D302 is a pure polish. Although UP would clean better.

[jarred767]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

Thanks guys, and sorry for the delayed update - went out of town over the weekend before I could post back here.

So, I did do some test spots like you mentioned Guz, and it was barely noticeable if there was any difference between the 301 and 66. I had to choose one though and thought the 301 may have looked ever so slightly better (tough to gauge on an overcast day with a white car), so I went with it. Turned out really good and the customer was amazed with the finished product.

So UP has more oils than 80? I did not realize this was the case, I thought M07 was the oiliest and best for SS paint followed by 80 (I had no M07 so that's why I went with 80). If UP does in fact have more oils I'd love to know for sure (any threads with remarks from someone from Meguiars would be great) and I'm assuming the 205 would be similar to UP, as I usually just have that on hand.

Thanks for the help; I still need to try out the new 302 stuff and see if I can find a way and place that makes it worth it with all the other polishes that I have to carry it too.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

If you're looking for a killer one step product for use on single stage white (or just about any other color, for that matter) give White Wax a try. Treat it like a compound - ie, run it at speed 5 on a DA with a foam polishing pad and work it just like you would, say, Ultimate Compound. Same sort of pressure, same slow movements over the paint.

[The Guz]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

I will have to remember this. My uncles special edition FJ has single stage paint that needs some TLC. I will recommend white wax to him.

[jarred767]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

Huh, I have never heard about white wax on SS paint, and since I buy everything in the gallons I haven't justified getting the White Wax. I will definitely get dome and try it out in the next SS I run across. I'm assuming it could be followed by a wax like D301/M21/M26/M66/UW and be fine, correct?

Guz- It's funny how those newer FJ Cruisers still use SS white. I did one a few weeks ago and was shocked to find I was working with SS on such a new car.

[The Guz]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

White wax can be topped with a longer lasting wax like UW or M21. No sense in topping it with D301 as it is also a cleaner wax with some SMAT. Since you buy by the gallon you could get D151 and it will do the same as white wax.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

Hmmmm..... maybe my original post here should have highlighted something...............

If you're looking for a killer one step product for use on single stage white (or just about any other color, for that matter) give White Wax a try.

White Wax uses SMAT abrasives, and if you apply it fairly aggressively - foam polishing pad, speed 5, moderate pressure, slow passes - it makes for a fantastic one step product. Basically use it the same way you would use a compound and you'll love it for those one step jobs.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

A quick addition to the discussion:

We just added a post here showing the power of White Wax when used in a somewhat more aggressive process than normal for a wax.

[Cypresswill]

On white vehicles I have had plenty of success using D151, try it for yourself if you haven't done so yet.

[jarred767]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

Okay, so white wax is very similar to D151 then? I use that a lot and really like the versatility of it, but never thought of it as a product that was very oily and would help with dried out SS paint. That is the only thing I'm trying to solve right now - finding the best meguiars product for bringing back a badly faded and oxidized SS paint before working on it to either remove defects (I've found it almost impossible to work with something like 101 or 105 on dry SS paint) or simply do a one step process after bringing the faded paint back to respectability.

So, for this one purpose, would White Wax be the best option, is D151 going to work the same, or would something oily-er like 205, 80, or 7 work better in this type of situation? Thanks!

[davey g-force]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

If all you want to do is add oils prior to doing a correction, then most say M7 is the best for that.

If you want to do a one step, then WW or D151 would be good. I would try the D151 first if you already have it. It has the about the same cleaning ability as WW, though I think the abrasives in the two are different (SMAT vs DAT). <--- (Maybe someone can correct me on that last part.)

[The Guz]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

Looks like it's SMAT.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/23561-smat-pack-everything-you-ever-wanted-know-about-meguiar-s-smat-products.html

[Michael Stoops]

Re: D301 vs M66 on SS White Paint

Okay, so white wax is very similar to D151 then? I use that a lot and really like the versatility of it, but never thought of it as a product that was very oily and would help with dried out SS paint. That is the only thing I'm trying to solve right now - finding the best meguiars product for bringing back a badly faded and oxidized SS paint before working on it to either remove defects (I've found it almost impossible to work with something like 101 or 105 on dry SS paint) or simply do a one step process after bringing the faded paint back to respectability.

So, for this one purpose, would White Wax be the best option, is D151 going to work the same, or would something oily-er like 205, 80, or 7 work better in this type of situation? Thanks!

Dried out SS paint is just a pain to deal with, period. If you're looking for something that will moisturize the paint and make it easier to buff out defects, then staying with a dedicated polish like M07 is going to make more sense. A very dry compound like M105 or M101 is simply not designed for this purpose and will fight you every step of the way so we recommend avoiding them under this specific situation.

If all you want to do is add oils prior to doing a correction, then most say M7 is the best for that.

If you want to do a one step, then WW or D151 would be good. I would try the D151 first if you already have it. It has the about the same cleaning ability as WW, though I think the abrasives in the two are different (SMAT vs DAT). <--- (Maybe someone can correct me on that last part.)

Both are SMAT, but White Wax contains more polishing oils than D151. Also, D151 really doesn't like working in direct sunlight and, while we don't really recommend using WW in direct sun, it is far more tolerant of that environment.

Keep in mind that single stage white paint tends to be hard. Very hard. The pigment used is titanium dioxide, so you're basically trying to remove swirls from titanium. Sounds like fun, doesn't it? Sometimes the best approach is a good treatment with a pure polish first, and then rotary correction or microfiber cutting pads on a DA. But you might want to stick with D300 rather than going for M105 even after a pure polish pre treatment. We aren't sure why so many people want to disregard D300 and go straight to M105 so often - D300 cuts beautifully, finishes really nice, is a much wetter product that can provide a longer buffing cycle, and it creates virtually zero dust.