Questions about D114 RFEW

[Fluencedci]

D114 according to the MSDS contains ammonium formula which I heard can hurt rubber and vinyl in the long term
How safe it is to use as a QD and as a glass cleanser
Is ammonium have any effect on the clear coat in the long term
What is the dilution ratio by using the product as a waterless wash?(just spritz and wipe with no bucket)

[Eldorado2k]

I also have a question about d114. Is it true it can be diluted and used as clay lube? If so what's the correct dilution ratio for that?

[C8N]

Re: Questions about D114 RFEW

I don't think there has been an official stance from Meguiars as to its use as QD or clay lube.
I do know there are people out there using it as such and I have also used it as clay lube when using my nanoskin with no ill effects in the 1ounce per 2 gallon ratio.
I also just want to add it is not something I recommend.... unless there was an official word from Megs. I am just saying that it worked in my case.

[davey g-force]

Re: Questions about D114 RFEW

The ammonia on glass thing you're concerned about only applies to cleaning the inside of windows which have been tinted.

Window tinting film does not like ammonia based cleaners.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Questions about D114 RFEW

D114 does not contain ammonia, it contains 1-5% quaternary ammonium compound, which is quite different than ammonia as we know that product.

Ammonia (NH3) is actually a pretty caustic and hazardous chemical in it's natural state. That natural state, in temperatures humans are comfortable in, is a gas, not a liquid. Ammonia is essentially dissolved in water to create ammonium hydroxide, and this is the common and potent cleaner used in household glass cleaners that are not recommended for use on tinted windows.

A quaternary ammonium compound is an organic compound with a base of ammonium (NH4) where each of the 4 hydrogen atoms are replaced with a combination of 4 other organic chains. It is commonly used as a non corrosive alternative to bleaches for cleaning a wide variety of surfaces where bleach would discolor or otherwise damage the surface. It's also the basis for highly engineered materials since we can control which organic chains replace those hydrogen atoms, essentially creating custom compounds with characteristics that fit the need of the design. Looking closely at the MSDS for D114 you'll find that CAS Number (an international chemical registry) is listed as "trade secret", which we need to meet certain criteria in order to be able to claim.

So, long term, rest assured that D114 is not going to have any negative effects on the clear coat, glass or trim of your vehicle.

We recommend using D114 as a rinseless wash with a dilution ratio of 1 ounce to two gallons of water. If you're going to use it as a waterless wash you should at least double that ratio (1 ounce per gallon). As a clay lube, the standard dilution ratio works quite well.

[Fluencedci]

Re: Questions about D114 RFEW

D114 does not contain ammonia, it contains 1-5% quaternary ammonium compound, which is quite different than ammonia as we know that product.

Ammonia (NH3) is actually a pretty caustic and hazardous chemical in it's natural state. That natural state, in temperatures humans are comfortable in, is a gas, not a liquid. Ammonia is essentially dissolved in water to create ammonium hydroxide, and this is the common and potent cleaner used in household glass cleaners that are not recommended for use on tinted windows.

A quaternary ammonium compound is an organic compound with a base of ammonium (NH4) where each of the 4 hydrogen atoms are replaced with a combination of 4 other organic chains. It is commonly used as a non corrosive alternative to bleaches for cleaning a wide variety of surfaces where bleach would discolor or otherwise damage the surface. It's also the basis for highly engineered materials since we can control which organic chains replace those hydrogen atoms, essentially creating custom compounds with characteristics that fit the need of the design. Looking closely at the MSDS for D114 you'll find that CAS Number (an international chemical registry) is listed as "trade secret", which we need to meet certain criteria in order to be able to claim.

So, long term, rest assured that D114 is not going to have any negative effects on the clear coat, glass or trim of your vehicle.

We recommend using D114 as a rinseless wash with a dilution ratio of 1 ounce to two gallons of water. If you're going to use it as a waterless wash you should at least double that ratio (1 ounce per gallon). As a clay lube, the standard dilution ratio works quite well.

Michael, thank you for the detailed explanation.
I won twice:
You helped me to dispel fears and doubts regarding order this product.
And also taught me a little lesson in chemistry.

[Silverado12]

Re: Questions about D114 RFEW

We recommend using D114 as a rinseless wash with a dilution ratio of 1 ounce to two gallons of water. If you're going to use it as a waterless wash you should at least double that ratio (1 ounce per gallon). As a clay lube, the standard dilution ratio works quite well.

Finally, an answer! I’ve been wanting to use D114 as a waterless wash but have struggled to find a definitive answer with regards to its dilution ratio. Even in the 40 minute video with Mike Philips going in depth about both D114 & D115, they discussed rinse less dilutions for D114 & D115 and waterless dilutions for D115, but skipped right over the waterless discussion for D114.

Why doesn’t Meguiars officially endorse the use of D114 as a waterless wash by providing dilution ratios on the bottle? Quite frankly, mixing D114 at 128:1 for waterless makes me nervous that I’m not going to get enough lubrication, especially when a product like D115 recommends 4:1 and many competing products have similar ratios. I understand that technique and towel management is absolutely critical to having success with waterless washes, but 128:1 still seems a bit crazy.