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    I just got a new car about 2 months ago with black paint. It came with 300 miles on it and there were several swirl mark scratches all over the place. They are only visible in high light.

    I tried using ScratchX to get them out but it does not seem to be working. How hard do I have to apply this stuff? I wasn't scrubbing that hard with the Meguiar's foam applicator but I definitely put some elbow into it. How long am I supposed to work the area?

    I can't stand these swirl type marks, especially since its a new car and I want to get rid of them. What can I do?

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    Re: Swirl marks

    Originally posted by DutchSRT
    I just got a new car about 2 months ago with black paint. It came with 300 miles on it and there were several swirl mark scratches all over the place. They are only visible in high light.
    Hi DutchSRT,

    Welcome to Meguiar's Online!


    I tried using ScratchX to get them out but it does not seem to be working. How hard do I have to apply this stuff? I wasn't scrubbing that hard with the Meguiar's foam applicator but I definitely put some elbow into it. How long am I supposed to work the area?

    I can't stand these swirl type marks, especially since its a new car and I want to get rid of them. What can I do?
    For very light/fine scratches, you shouldn't have to rub very hard, and one or two applications should be okay. When removing swirls and scratches from the paint finish, you should only work small section at a time, and when moving on to a new section, overlap into the previous section.

    A small section can very by the severity of the swirls, by this I mean, the worse the scratches, (the deeper they are), the small the section you want to work. This is because in essence what you are doing with the ScratchX is removing a little paint.

    Because generally speaking, modern catalyzed clear coats are harder than traditional solvent-evaporation single-stage paints and therefore harder, or more difficult to remove scratches out of because its harder to remove small particles of paint off the surface.

    So what you're attempting to do is hard to start with. If you tried to apply to a large area at once, say the hood, or one half the hood, or even one quarter of the hood, you probably bit off too much to work at one time.

    Next, after using a paint cleaner, you're not done!.

    Just like in the old days when a person would apply a rubbing compound or a polishing compound to their car's paint to remove a defect, after applying the compound, they would go back over the area with either a finer compound, or a glaze and then apply a coat of wax.

    If you stopped at the ScratchX, then you were not done. After applying ScratchX, next either apply a coat of a pure polish, rubbing and working it over the paint, (you can apply to larger sections at this point), and then follow that with at least one coat of wax, two coats are better.

    Now wipe off the last coat and inspect.

    Paint cleaners like ScratchX are part of a process, not stand-alone products.

    Hope this helps...
    Mike Phillips
    760-515-0444
    showcargarage@gmail.com

    "Find something you like and use it often"

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      Note: In the below article, the heavy swirls were removed by hand using ScratchX, then the paint was polished with Deep Crystal Polish, and then the paint was waxed with NXT Tech Wax Paste, all by hand.






      Here's a system that works very well by hand on most paint types.

      Wash
      Clay if needed
      ScratchX to remove swirls
      Deep Crystal Polish to restore brilliance, clarity and rich color
      Wax to protect the paint and lock in the results from the above

      Here's what can be done with ScratchX,

      Often times when the topic of removing swirls is being discussed on our discussion forum, or some other detailing forum, it centers around the dual action polisher, foam buffing pads and somebody's compound or polish. Yet many people don't own a dual action polisher. So here at Meguiar's Garage, we like to show people how to use the what they already own... their hands!



      Like most detailing enthusiasts, I personally love a challenge, and with Tom's car, I believe most people would agree, his car's finish presents a challenge!

      BEFORE - 700 Pixel-wide cropped out section from an un-touched, original photo of rotary buffer swirls in a clear coat finish.




      Using some painters tape, we taped-off a section of the hood to separate the before and after results. Then, we applied three, well worked in applications of Meguiar's ScratchX all applied by hand using Meguiar's High-Tech Applicator Pad






      The secret to removing swirls by hand using Meguiar's ScratchX is all in your technique. You see in order to remove swirls out of your car's finish, you need to remove a little bit of paint. If we we're to look at a horizontal view of what gross rotary buffer swirls look like in the paint, it would look something like the diagram below. In order to remove these below surface defects, (swirls), you need to remove enough paint from the finish to level the upper surface with the lowest depths of the swirls until you've restored the finish to a flat, level surface.




      To do this by hand with ScratchX, you need to,
      • * Apply to a small section at a time
        * First spread the ScratchX evenly over the area you're going to work (before working it in)
        * Work the microscopic diminishing abrasives against the finish applying a little passion behind the applicator pad
        * Repeat this process with multiple applications after first removing the residue from each application after working it against the finish




      Remember that Meguiar's paint cleaners, like ScratchX do not need to dry before removing. Drying adds no benefit. The only Meguiar's paint products that need to dry before removing are Meguiar's waxes.

      Technique Tip

      The question is often asked,

      "Which direction should I move my hand when applying a Meguiar's paint cleaner?"

      A common mis-conception, often espoused on other discussion forums, or by some car care product manufactures, is the technique of only rubbing a product in a certain direction to keep all of your scratches going in the same direction.

      Meguiar's teaches that if the products you're using are non-abrasive, that is they are not instilling scratches into the finish, as such, it shouldn't matter which direction you move your hand!

      If the products you're using are inflicting scratches into your car's finish, the correct thing to do is to stop using the product! Don't try to camouflage the scratches to your eyes by instilling them in straight-lines as determined by the movement of your hand.

      ScratchX can be applied using straight-lines or circular motion and for this particular demonstration we used a combination of both.

      Removing ScratchX using Meguiar's Supreme Shine Microfiber after working the product against the finish until the product has broken down, turned somewhat clear and begun to dissipate.



      At Meguiar's Saturday Detailing 101 classes, we go through a power point presentation that covers a wide spectrum of detailing topics, one of which is Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle , which includes;
      • Step 1 Wash
        Step 2 Clean
        Step 3 Polish
        Step 4 Protect
        Step 5 Maintain

      After cleaning the paint with a paint cleaner like ScratchX, we then apply a pure polish, in this case, Deep Crystal Polish which is a non-abrasive pure polish.



      In Meguiar's line, we offer two types of polishes, cleaner/polishes, which contain a diminishing abrasive, and pure polishes, which are completely non-abrasive and are used solely for the purpose of creating brilliant gloss. Deep Crystal Polish is a pure polish.



      The way you apply a pure polish is akin to applying a skin lotion to your skin. That is you apply the polish to a small section at a time, work the product in thoroughly.



      After thoroughly, (but gently with care and passion), remove any excess polish with a clean, soft premium quality microfiber polishing cloth or 100% cotton towel.



      Like ScratchX a paint cleaner, it is not necessary to let a pure polish like Deep Crystal Polish dry before removing it. Allowing a polish to dry will not add anything beneficial to the process, so after you work it in well, go a head and remove it.

      At this point, we have cleaned and polished the finish. The cleaning step removed the swirls and the polishing step restored optical clarity, depth, reflectivity, richness of color and brilliant gloss. Next we're going to apply a coating of Meguiar's new NXT Generation Tech Wax Paste



      NXT Generation Tech Wax Paste is identical to NXT Generation Tech Wax Liquid except that it comes in a paste form. There are two types of paste waxes, the difference is in their consistency. The practical application difference is in how you remove them from the can and then apply them.

      With a cleaner/wax (paste), like Meguiar's A12 Meguiar's Cleaner/Wax you can scoop out a small amount and with your applicator pad and then apply it to the finish and work it in.



      With paste waxes like Gold Class Clear Coat Wax Paste, M26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax, and NXT Generation Tech Wax Paste, instead of scooping wax out of the can, you can twist, or spin your wax applicator against the wax while it's in the can and this little bit of agitation will help to liquefy the wax and enable it to seep, or penetrate into your applicator pad whereupon making it easier to apply to the finish.





      Paste waxes like NXT Tech Generation Wax offer good gliding action and tend to apply very easy. Remember a little bit goes a long ways and it's important to try to apply a uniform, thin coating.

      After applying the Tech Wax Paste and allowing it to dry, we removed it using a Supreme Shine Microfiber polishing cloth and the Tom backed his Mercedes-Benz out into the sun where everyone could look at the results and see with their own two eyes what can be accomplished by hand with the right products and the correct techniques.







      Here's the owner Tom inspecting closely!



      And here I am capturing the results with our Sony Digital which does an excellent job of capture swirls in the sun.



      Before



      After
















      Perfect? No.

      dramatically improved? Yes!

      Most importantly, we fixed by hand what someone else inflicted with a rotary buffer.

      Next up, we'll see what we can do to the same finish using Meguiar's G100 and the right products and techniques.
      Mike Phillips
      760-515-0444
      showcargarage@gmail.com

      "Find something you like and use it often"

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