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  • What NOT to do with microfiber pads

    We just got these pads back from a customer complaining about the poor quality of the loop material that holds these onto the hook material of his backing plate. He also wasn't real happy with the cutting ability of the pads. We know understand why he was so upset: we hate to call "user error" on folks, but it does indeed happen. Mostly, though, user error comes from a lack of understanding of the process or product, and that is certainly the case when it comes to our DA Microfiber Correction System.

    First, let's look at the loop material on the returned pads. It feels like very soft and fine felt, and it will not stick to the hook material on the backing plates we have here. At first glance and feel, it is super soft and extremely short in nap. This tells us that it's been broken down due to extremely heavy use, most likely extreme pressure and very high tool speed.


    For reference, this is what a new pad looks like.


    Side by side: returned pad on the left, new on the right.


    With regard to cutting ability, this is the microfiber face of the pad the was returned (there were actually three like this). While this looks like the floor of a dry lake bed in the middle of the Mojave Desert, it is indeed a DMC6 microfiber pad. Allegedly, this pad was cleaned after every panel it was used on. Allegedly.



    So what went wrong? What can we deduce just by looking at these pads? We've seen this a lot, to be honest, and it always comes down to a few things: extreme downward pressure on the pad, running the tool at too high a speed setting, and not cleaning the pads.

    From day one with this system we've said the following: The cutting pad and D300 have been engineered to run at speed 4 on a G110v2, which translates to 4,800 opm. On some other popular DA buffers that OPM equivalent may be a slightly different speed, but you should never run these at full speed on the tool. The customer in this case said he was running at speed 6 because he needed the cut. Remember, speed 4 is not just a recommendation on our part, it's the specific speed we engineered this system to run at!

    By running at max speed things get pretty hairy with any hook & loop attached pad. The very nature of a DA buffer movement means that the tool is always trying to throw the pad off the backing plate. In fact, this even happened in our Saturday class over the weekend when a student lifted the tool off the paint with it still running, and the pad flew off. Why? Because of the DA movement constantly changing direction. This makes for a very harsh and even violent environment, and a DA will generate heat at the pad/backing plate interface much faster than it will at the pad/paint interface. In abusive stress testing we've actually reached 310 degrees F and the darn thing was smoking!! That's also why we use a micro hook & loop system: a longer hook and loop would present more slack in the interface and heat would go up higher and faster. In this case, the customer actually blamed the problem on the lousy, short velcro being used. A simple lack of understanding on his part.

    We have also recommended (insisted, actually) that the pads be blown or brushed clean after every section pass to not only fluff up the microfiber filaments but also to eliminate any paint residue picked up in the correction process and to expel any spent product. Microfiber is great at hanging on to things, and you do NOT want paint residue or spent product to start building up on the polishing face of the pad. That can and will lead to pigtails in the paint, and that's never a good thing.

    So, how do you avoid these problems? Use the correct backing plate with the pads. We recommend staying with our W67DA backing plate on traditional DA buffers since it properly synchronizes the hook & loop interface with these pads. Using a longer hooked plate will lead to premature failure of the pad. Don't do it. If you're using a Rupes Bigfoot you don't have much choice, and their backing plates will hold a pad like a vice. Seriously - trying to remove a microfiber pad from a Rupes backing plate is like trying to pull teeth so you need to be extra careful that you don't quite literally pull the foam apart. But that's a whole 'nother thang. Further, do not run the tool at max speed when using microfiber pads. They are much thinner in composition than traditional foam pads, and that means they are more aggressive, that they transfer more energy from the tool to the paint, and they will generate more heat at the pad/plate interface if abused. Stay with speed setting 4 on your G110v2 and use moderate pressure to start. Yes, you can put a huge amount of pressure down on these pads and still keep them spinning, but that does NOT mean you should do that. If you need to in order to remove a severe, random defect, then that's fine. But leaning on the tool should not be your standing operating procedure. If you find you need more cut overall, then really slow down your arm speed across the paint, work a smaller area, or a combination of the two. Don't just crank 'er up and lean on it.

    Avoiding caking of the pads and the potential creation of pigtails is pretty easy, actually. Clean the pad after every section. Compressed air is best, but we know not everyone has access to compressed air. A pad conditioning brush works great for this, as do those square yellow bug sponge blocks (used dry, not soaked in water). Cleaning of the pad should mean you've completely fluffed up the fibers and you can actually see product residue getting pulled from the surface and falling to the ground. If you're not doing this regularly (and it takes just a few seconds) you're selling yourself, and the system, short.

    This article, published when the system was introduced, should be a must-read for anyone wanting to try the DA Microfiber Correction System. Even if you've been using a DA buffer for ten years, things are different with this system. Not hugely so, but there are some tweaks to your technique that you must make.
    Michael Stoops
    Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

    Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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    Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

    This is still my favorite MF system, because it is just that, a tried and true system, not just bits and pieces with the user left to figure out how to use it in an optimal fashion. Detailers and fellow hobbyists, who else but Meguiars gives you the entire system, including a toll free phone number with actual people answering it on the other line, looking to help. Thanks Megs!!!

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    • #3
      Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

      Thanks for reinforcing these important points to everyone Mike.
      Originally posted by Blueline
      I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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      • #4
        Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

        I will be a first time user of this system this spring when it finally warms up (which may be never!) and it's good to know how NOT to use it. Thanks for the tips and info!

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        • #5
          Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

          Great info as always Michael!

          When this system is used properly it's works fantastic and is very hard to beat. I just will say that is it's a system and needs to be used is a specific manner or else you will have issues. Additionally clean those
          fibers after every section not panel. Grab a new pad after every panel.

          When using this this system the more pads you have the better off you will be.
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          • #6
            Thankyou sir for the information and teaching. I wrote the entire article and put it in my detailing book for reference.

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            • #7
              Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

              Like many things in detailing.....technique is key. Great stuff Mike!
              -Bob
              NXTti graduate, Meguiars Ford/SEMA Team

              "All Corvette's are red, the rest are mistakes" - John Heinricy (Corvette Engineer)

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              • #8
                Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

                Can you use speed 5 if you still have a g100?

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                • #9
                  Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

                  Originally posted by oneway View Post
                  Thankyou sir for the information and teaching. I wrote the entire article and put it in my detailing book for reference.
                  Did you mean "read" or "printed" ??
                  Originally posted by Blueline
                  I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                  • #10
                    Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

                    Originally posted by torque View Post
                    Can you use speed 5 if you still have a g100?
                    Yes, the required 4800 OPM is closer to speed 5 on the Porter Cable 7424 and therefore on the G100 as well. On a G110v2 or a Griot's 6" you'll want to stay with speed 4.
                    Michael Stoops
                    Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                    Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                    • #11
                      Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

                      Mike, I think that sould say:

                      Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
                      On a G110v2 or a Griot's 6" you'll want to stay with speed 4.
                      Originally posted by Blueline
                      I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                      • #12
                        Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

                        Thank you Mike for the write up, I will be receiving my Microfiber kit at the end of the week. This will be my first time trying out this system this is a good refresh on following the "rules" of the system.
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                        • #13
                          Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

                          Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
                          Yes, the required 4800 OPM is closer to speed 5 on the Porter Cable 7424 and therefore on the G100 as well. On a G110v2 or a Griot's 6" you'll want to stay with speed 5.
                          Thanks for the reply. One more question I forgot to ask is their anything to use to wash them up the job is done like apc d101 or dish soap and without causing premature wear or delaminate ?

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                          • #14
                            Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

                            Thanks for pointing out my error, Davey! I've changed it in my original post so that people don't read it wrong and then miss your correction. Thanks for keeping me honest!!!

                            Torque, cleaning these pads once you're done with a project couldn't be easier: toss them in the washer and dryer with your microfiber towels. We recommend a warm water wash, cold rinse, and low heat in the dryer. No fabric softener or dryer sheets, just as you would avoid with your microfiber towels.
                            Michael Stoops
                            Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                            Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                            • #15
                              Re: What NOT to do with microfiber pads

                              Great write-up Mike! These pads produces awesomely if you take care of them!! Obviously the ones pictured were not
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