White Wax

[GhOsT1321]

Re: White Wax

Clay bar or cleaner wax? I have a bright silver 370Z that's a year old, is garaged, no visible swirls, no door dings or scratches and only 3 or 4 small rock chips. I'm 75 and it's getting a little harder to take care of the car but I still clay bar in the spring and again in the fall and wax occasionally with NXT and like to keep the car looking good. Should I give up the clay in favor of white wax or should I use them both? Also how about an in between color such as my son's solar orange 350Z (which was mine before the new silver 370), white or black? And how about the hand applied paint pin striping he has on the car? Will the cleaner wax destroy it?

Do not give up the clay in favor of White Wax. White Wax is a cleaner wax formulated for lighter colored cars because they tend to need more defect removal and less polishing oils. To decide on which wax to use, if you want to choose between Black Wax or White Wax, look at the car in the sun. If there are many light to medium scratches in the CC then White Wax would be best, if there are little, or many very fine scratches, then likely Black Wax would be best. If your son's 350Z has a lot of scratches, use White Wax, if little or barely noticeable, go with Black Wax. Regarding pin striping, I cannot say for sure if it would be safe.
If you have no visible swirls, then use Black wax if you want to check out one of these new waxes, however NXT 2.0 will likely have longer lasting protection.

[Zcar]

Re: White Wax

Thanks Gh0sT. I was thinking that White Wax being an aggressive cleaner might negate the use of a clay bar or vice versa.

[Murr1525]

Re: White Wax

Clay bar or cleaner wax?

Well, both... they do different things. Though if your car is well cared for, it shouldnt need clayed as often.

I have a bright silver 370Z that's a year old, is garaged, no visible swirls, no door dings or scratches and only 3 or 4 small rock chips. I'm 75 and it's getting a little harder to take care of the car but I still clay bar in the spring and again in the fall and wax occasionally with NXT and like to keep the car looking good.

It may by worth trying one of the new fine clay towels... could be easier to hold than a clay bar, if that gave you trouble.

Should I give up the clay in favor of white wax or should I use them both?

Well, in theory, a good 'complete' detail would look like:

1. Wash
2. Clay if needed
3. Cleaner/wax (white or black)
4. Wax

Now, of course you may want to skip a step if all the work is a bit much at once. Doing something like the White Wax once in a while, with the Nxt at other times would be reasonable.

Also how about an in between color such as my son's solar orange 350Z (which was mine before the new silver 370), white or black?

White is just a stronger cleaner, black is just more polishing oils.

So if the car is in great shape, not much dirt etc, then Black Wax would be fine for every color, including white.

Remember, these are just products for the average consumer, where it just happens that white often needs a stronger cleaning to look good.

And how about the hand applied paint pin striping he has on the car? Will the cleaner wax destroy it?

Probably best to wipe over it very gently by hand.

[Zcar]

Re: White Wax

Thanks once again Murr for your thoughts. I didn't know about the clay towel so I'll check that out. So far I've been able to keep the paint in pretty pristine condition but I'll probably adjust when I can get some of the Black wax.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: White Wax

Clay bar and cleaners do two different things - clay is for above surface bonded contaminants and cleaners, whether dedicated paint cleaners like Ultimate Compound or cleaner waxes like White Wax, are designed to address below surface defects like swirls and fine scratches. You should continue to use both as needed.

Both the White Wax and Black Wax can be used on any color vehicle, depending on what you're really trying to accomplish. For example, if your son's Solar Orange car has some fine swirls, then the White Wax is going to be better at removing those, but if not, then Black Wax will add more polish and quite possibly enhance the color a bit more.

As for the painted pinstripes on your son's car, as with any abrasive you want to be careful around those stripes. A single use of a cleaner wax, hand applied, shouldn't be a problem, but the more aggressive your application, and the more often you apply, the greater the chance of reducing the thickness of those stripes. We've seen plenty of painted pinstripes that have been abraded down to almost nothing, so a little caution and common sense is called for when dealing with them.

[Zcar]

Re: White Wax

Thanks Michael. I'll be looking for some of the new wax when it's available here.

[Barry N]

Re: White Wax

Wonder if Canadian retailers will have it available ?

[ericccc]

Re: White Wax

Hi,
I have a couple of questions, i got a white color car, it's solid not metallic.
and after few months driving the car, i found that there are dirt ingrain in the paint some of the area,
i got ultimate wash and wax and ultimate quik wax, it doesn't remove it,
so if i purchase below these three, which one did you recommend, "ScratchX 2.0", "Ultimate Compound", "White Wax"

and another question,
if i use White Wax, since you all said white wax is like cleaner wax, so can i use white wax like once a month? is it will thinnest down my paint?
can white wax use frequently like ultimate wax?
after i use white wax, can i use ultimate wax on top of it? since white wax has less polymers right?

[Michael Stoops]

Re: White Wax

Welcome to MOL, ericccc!

The embedded dirt you're seeing in your white paint is exactly the sort of thing that this new White Wax is designed to address. Car washes and spray waxes are just not formulated to handle this sort of issue, which is why Ultimate Wash & Wax and UQW didn't correct it. The same could be said for virtually any car wash and spray wax on the market though - that simply isn't their purpose.

White Wax is a fairly potent cleaner wax that should quickly remove embedded dirt, and with regular use it will prevent the accumulation of this and keep the paint looking bright and clear. It usually doesn't take a very aggressive approach to remove embedded dirt, especially if you're staying on top of it, so even regular hand application of White Wax isn't going to compromise the life of your clear coat. For routine use (ie, monthly application), you're going to be safer with White Wax than with Ultimate Compound, but UC is going to be needed once swirls and other defects start to show up. But compounds should not be used as a monthly process; yearly should be all that's needed if you're washing/drying process is done right.

If you wish to use Ultimate Wax on top of White Wax, you most certainly can.

[imacarnut]

Re: White Wax

What are the directions for use with this product (I would be using it with a DA)? Can you work it in and wipe off immediately, or does it need to dry to a haze before removal? Sorry if this has been addressed, my computer is working real slow on here.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: White Wax

What are the directions for use with this product (I would be using it with a DA)? Can you work it in and wipe off immediately, or does it need to dry to a haze before removal? Sorry if this has been addressed, my computer is working real slow on here.

Depending on how bad the paint is you could use either a finishing pad or polishing pad, with speed anywhere from 3 to 5 and pressure from light to moderate. If you have some light swirls you could easily run the tool at speed 5 with a polishing pad and actually remove a surprising amount of those swirls, then maybe slow down to speed 3 to finish. The product should be allowed to dry to a haze, so you can cover the entire vehicle before wiping off.

Remember, this is basically a SMAT abrasive cleaner wax, so if you get aggressive with it it can do some pretty remarkable cleaning and light defect removal.

[imacarnut]

Re: White Wax

Depending on how bad the paint is you could use either a finishing pad or polishing pad, with speed anywhere from 3 to 5 and pressure from light to moderate. If you have some light swirls you could easily run the tool at speed 5 with a polishing pad and actually remove a surprising amount of those swirls, then maybe slow down to speed 3 to finish. The product should be allowed to dry to a haze, so you can cover the entire vehicle before wiping off.

Remember, this is basically a SMAT abrasive cleaner wax, so if you get aggressive with it it can do some pretty remarkable cleaning and light defect removal.

Great explanation Mike, Thank You!

[ericccc]

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i would like to ask, is ultimate quik wax same material and same output as ultimate wax? or similar? what's the different actually

[Murr1525]

Re: White Wax

It is similar.

The spray wax will be a thinner liquid, with less wax in it, allowing it to be sprayed.

The spray waxes dont give as much protection as a coat of liquid/paste wax, but can be used a bit more quickly. Often the spray waxes are used as a quick booster wax after washing.

[ericccc]

Re: White Wax

when it will be launch at Malaysia. your country launch already?