Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

[mb911]

I am strongly considering the Microfiber System for correcting paint.

With Meguiar's DA polisher version 2, you can only use five inch pads and not six inch with microfiber system, is this correct? Will a 5-inch pad make the job feel "slow?"


Second, right now I have the backing plate made for 2.0 pads that fits it perfect. Can I use this backing plate, or do I need a new one, if so, which one?


Finally...my main question...

How does the Microfiber compound with microfiber compounding pad compare to using M105 with 6-inch 2.0 polishing pad? Will I find Microfiber to be AT LEAST as aggressive as M105 with 6-inch or not? I have always found I needed the full power of M105 on the yellow polishing pad.


Out of curiosity too, how would you rank the protection of the Microfiber wax? On level of proaction and longevity with NXT, or more like a Gold Class/Color X?

[mb911]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

Just to clarify what I use M105 with right now is 7-inch 2.0 pad. My mistake calling them 6-inch above.

[Paul S]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

You can use either the 6" or 5" microfiber pads with the meguiars g110v2 with their matching backing plates. The Sbp6 for 6" pad and w67da for the 5' pads. That machine will spin either size you select. My preference is to use the 5" and 3" pads for various reasons. The 5" IMO is easier on the machine and the 3" makes it easier to get into tight spots such as around mirrors,door handles etc. Using smaller then the 6" never seemed a big deal to me. For the 3"pads a s3bp is required. M105 does have a little more cut IMO then d300 but there are very few defects that the d300 won't take care of.

[Sean Conrad]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

You can use either the 6" or 5" microfiber pads with the meguiars g110v2 with their matching backing plates. The Sbp6 for 6" pad and w67da for the 5' pads. That machine will spin either size you select. My preference is to use the 5" and 3" pads for various reasons. The 5" IMO is easier on the machine and the 3" makes it easier to get into tight spots such as around mirrors,door handles etc. Using smaller then the 6" never seemed a big deal to me. For the 3"pads a s3bp is required. M105 does have a little more cut IMO then d300 but there are very few defects that the d300 won't take care of.

That is exactly what I would have said as well. I promise that if you try the D300 system you will be impressed at the speed of correction and how much less work is involved to get a great looking car.

[mb911]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

That is exactly what I would have said as well. I promise that if you try the D300 system you will be impressed at the speed of correction and how much less work is involved to get a great looking car.

Thanks. This does make me slightly nervous.

I still have to work fairly hard with the M105 to remove defects. Therefore, perhaps I shouldn't be going to microfiber if it has this bit less cut?

Sure appreciate all this expert help.

[Mark58]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

Just remember to clean you disk often with air or soft brush. Do not over-use the product.

[the other pc]

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I think you'll find that D300/microfiber has significantly more cut than M105/yellow foam.

I wouldn't expect the microfiber wax to last nearly as long as a premium wax. That's not its purpose. It's designed with very fine cut to give final gloss and some protection. But combination products are always a balancing act. The premium waxes are specifically designed for lasting protection.



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[mb911]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

I think you'll find that D300/microfiber has significantly more cut than M105/yellow foam.

I wouldn't expect the microfiber wax to last nearly as long as a premium wax. That's not its purpose. It's designed with very fine cut to give final gloss and some protection. But combination products are always a balancing act. The premium waxes are specifically designed for lasting protection.



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Ok....I'll give it a try then. Thank you for ALL the responses.

I watched the Auto Geek Garage when Meguiar's visited, and they said unless it was a Flex, to use only 5-inch pads with DA. Did they change this recommendation later on?

[Michael Stoops]

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Just for the record, the DAMF system was specifically developed for use on a DA with the 5" discs, cutting at 4800 opm (speed 4 on the G110v2) and finishing at 3800 opm (speed 3 on the G110v2). Other size discs are for different tools, such as the 6" version for the Flex 3401 and other larger format tools, and the 3" version for mini air tools, the Metabo and Griot's smaller tools, or spot work with a G110v2 or similar. If you're using a G110v2/Griots 6"/Porter Cable 7424/etc then stick with the 5" discs. You will need a W67DA backing plate with these discs as the diameter and firmness of the backing plate, and style of hook & loop are very important with this application.

We would expect you to see more cut with the 5" cutting disc and D300 than you currently get with M105/W8207 foam pad. And you'll get a lot less dust (virtually none, in fact) and easier wipe off, too.

The complete system was really developed for large volume reconditioning facilities where speed of defect removal takes precedence over maximum gloss and durability of protection. While the D301 is great stuff (the fastest wipe off you've ever seen!) it is very common for guys doing higher end detailing to use D300/5" cutting disc for the initial correction, then follow with M205/W9207 foam for refinement, and then finish off with their favorite wax or sealant. If you've got a customer who is only interested in a quick two step clean up, then using the full system will get the job done very quickly and most likely to a much higher level than the customer anticipated. Win-win. But if you need to step things up, using just the cutting step will often reduce the time you spend in that process, and then you can follow with M205 and wax as noted above.

[mb911]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

Thanks. I suppose I can also try M105 with the microfiber cutting if I find I need to (of course I know this is NOT approved).

I'm glad to hear though that microfiber/D301 should give more cut than M105/foam.


One more question...when using the 3-inch pads for small spot work on DA, which speed should you use for cutting?

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

Keep the speeds the same even when using the smaller discs. Of course, based on the discussion going on in that other thread you may want to look into D300 on foam pads for your car as an option.

[mb911]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

Keep the speeds the same even when using the smaller discs. Of course, based on the discussion going on in that other thread you may want to look into D300 on foam pads for your car as an option.

Thanks Mr. Stoops. I finally opened up my brand new Microfiber kit today that I got for the holidays! I just wanted to touch up my hood and front fenders. I had done the hood and other flat area with M105 and yellow foam in early December. However, I had some light swirls and towel marks already.

Since I got the pads anyway as a gift, I went ahead and used D300 on the microfiber pad even though you gave me the tip, from your experience with SL 55, to use foam yellow instead. I figured, why not try it, if I have the pads?

Well, I tried it. I didn't worry about doing as many passes as I do with yellow foam pad as I hoped it would be more aggressive. Well, it seems it was! Obviously the microfiber material and the smaller size pad (5 inch) makes it more aggressive I think. I believe it cleared up the swirls and minor towel marks nicely with minimum effort and virtually no dust compared to M105 as you suggested.

Was my car hazed after D300 on microfiber like the SL55? Well, for an untrained eye, not much actually. Yes, it had it light and not as crystal clear as M105 on yellow foam for me, but it didn't haze it MUCH, nothing scary. Some people wouldn't even notice. However, see the shape of my hood? Where the hood steps down, along that edge where it goes from the raised portion to the lower portion of the hood, it hazed that area a bit, the seam type area.

The finishing wax with finishing microfiber seemed to remove nearly all haze from the main portions of the hood and fenders. Honestly, I know this isn't the longest lasting wax and I did top it with something else, HOWEVER the "feel" of the paint and the "look" of the paint after the finishing wax with finishing pad was AWESOME! Truly new car like pretty much. This is an AMAZING system due to the ease and results.

Sadly, even though I concentrated the finishing wax in those troubled haze areas from D300, the seams of the bulges on the hood still have a bit of hazing at the right angle. I figure it will likely get better in the future when I use something like the finishing wax again to touch up.

It was sad in a way to cover the finishing wax. The feel of that finishing wax was phenomenal! I like it! Of course, the finishing wax isn't just great for the protection. I know it was a good step for clearing the minimal haze. People don't talk about this step much, but it seems like a great product.

Overall, this system is pretty insane! I don't know how Meguiar's can make enough of these products. Every dealership, detailer, car owner, etc. should have the microfiber system!

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

We're happy to hear that you had such a high level of success with the system. Your observations are spot on though, and the light hazing you saw following D300/cutting disc is not uncommon. D301/finishing disc was designed to not only finish off with a nice looking, super fast wipe off wax, but also to clean up that light hazing. And we're not one bit worried about you applying another wax on top of D301 - if that's what you like, we won't hold you back!

[wijaya]

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@Michael Stoops :
It is okay, if i start the microfiber cutting pad with D300 ,and top of the Ultimate Wax with soft buff 2.0 finishing?
or i "HAVE TO" use both microfiber cutting pad and finishing pad?

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Microfiber System Correction Versus M105

@Michael Stoops :
It is okay, if i start the microfiber cutting pad with D300 ,and top of the Ultimate Wax with soft buff 2.0 finishing?
or i "HAVE TO" use both microfiber cutting pad and finishing pad?

Apologies for missing this earlier.

No, you do not "have to" follow D300 on a cutting disc with D301 on the finishing disc. In fact, for higher end finishing we recommend using M205 on a finishing pad and then applying your favorite wax or sealant to finish it all off. If the D300/cutting disc leaves a finish ready for wax, you can go straight from D300 to Ultimate Wax if you like. If, on the other hand, D300/cutting disc is leaving a bit of haze, then an intermediate step of M205 on a foam pad is going to be needed (or at least highly recommended) before applying Ultimate Wax.