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    Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

    I did some serious work on my '67 Mini Cooper over the weekend. The paint is an almond green and was neglected for many years. It has single stage and it is possibly the original paint - but impossible to tell. I first clayed the entire car and that went well. I then used Ultimate Compound followed by Ultimate Polish finishing up with Carnauba Wax. For both the compound and the polish I had the same problem - I found it impossible to remove substantial portions of them. In certain places it came right off and in other places, often on the same panel, I just could not get it off. Turned out the only thing to take it off was Carnauba wax. I tried different techniques of applying and always the same results. I tried hand application using the included foam applicator and also using a Porter Cable 7346 orbital using the meguires yellow pad.
    I tried variants of applying the polish: leaving a slight haze and also pushed to to a point where the polish almost disappeared. In all cases, large smugdes of hazed polish where left. I used microfiber cloths to remove - by hand only. No damage to the paint thank fully but only wax took it off. I am a newbie and must be doing something wrong.
    Can't figure out how to attached photos.
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    Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

    What size area are you working? How many passes? what speed? On your 7346 did you use the washer between backing plate and shaft? Was the pad spinning at all? I had problems with 7346 getting it to spin.

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    • #3
      Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

      Originally posted by pawalsh View Post
      I tried variants of applying the polish: leaving a slight haze...
      I think this may be your problem. You shouldn't let Meg's polishes dry to a haze. You should buff them off while they are still wet. Only waxes should be allowed to haze before removing...
      Originally posted by Blueline
      I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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      • #4
        Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

        Try mixing a dilution of Isopropyl alcohol and water 1:1 and lightly mist the panel where the polish has dried. It will strip your coat of wax, but waxing is fun and therapeutic anyway!!
        This helps clean up any polish residue, and might solve your problem.
        Good luck! I know single stage can be finicky!
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        • #5
          Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

          Have you tried using M80 speed glaze? This product works very well with single stage paints.

          Your paint might also be way too dry so the M80 could help moisturize the paint therefore making it easier to polish and remove product from the paint.
          2011 Car Crazy Showcase SEMA Team

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          • #6
            Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

            I think Davey is on the right track, you shuldnt let them dry.

            On top of that, as the paint is older, you will run into the paint being drier, and so drying the products out faster.

            Marks suggestion of #80 is probably a better way to go for a mild cleaner for you car.
            2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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            • #7
              Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

              If you have old single-stage paint, read this article:http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...ge-paints.html
              It was written by Mike Phillips, formerly an instructor here, and makes use of two oil-rich products that SS paints seem to love, M07 and M80. As an example, here's a split shot of the roof of my El Camino after the driver's side got four aggressive hand applications of M07.


              Some M80 and a polisher followed. Prior to reading Mike's article, I tried over a dozen different glazes, polishes and compounds. As you can see from the other side, the parched finish just sucked the moisture out of the product and left me with a messy pad and no improvement to the finish. Only with the introduction of oil-rich M07 did I see start to see improvement.

              Bill

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              • #8
                Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

                ^^What an awesome 50/50!
                Originally posted by Blueline
                I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                • #9
                  Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

                  40 year old single stage paint can often be badly dried out, which can pose some serious challenges when trying to bring back the shine that is hidden under all the oxidation. There is no single product that is perfect for every situation, and this sounds like one where Ultimate Compound may just not be the right fit. Single stage paint loves a product with a lot of polishing oils, so the M80 suggested above would have been our first choice when conducting a test spot. UC is derived from M105 which is a fairly dry compound. UC is much more user friendly but again, it's not the answer to every problem. We can only imagine how much more of a problem M105 might have been on this paint!

                  You can use M80 the same way you used UC - same tool, same type of pad, same speeds, etc. Since M80 is a diminishing abrasive product you'll want to work it until it's almost gone and then wipe off before it dries. If you work it sufficiently you shouldn't have any issues with wipe off, just make sure to confine your work area to no more than 2' x 2' or it will start to dry out on you. After that process you can still go over with Ultimate Polish and you may find it a bit easier to work with following M80.
                  Michael Stoops
                  Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                  Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

                    Many thanks for the suggestions and it does indeed sounds like the paint is very dried out. It seemed that the compund and polish dried almost instantly - a bit working in the sun except it was a cool day and and the car was cool to the touch. I'll give the the M80 a go or two.. When you say that it needs to be worked sufficiently I assume that means rubbed on well enough for it to disapear before wiping off.
                    Also, what is the difference between M07 and M80?
                    There are no stains on my paint thanksfully, it is just very dull with low refectivity. After my weekend work it now has some reflectivity but I can tell that it has more in it...
                    Thanks for the inspiring photos Billy!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

                      You may find that after you get a lot of polishing oils on the paint, and moisturize the paint, you will be able to do more with it.

                      The UC/UP products have micro-abrasives, and those just need worked in until you are happy, or they are almost drying.

                      The #80 has diminishing abrasives, and this means they start out bigger, and break down as you work them in. So you want to get the abrasives broken down before you remove the product, otherwise they wont leave as nice a finish behind as possible.

                      You may want to use a little more product as well, who knows. You probably want to work on one panel, and get it right, before doing the whole car. Although the whole car is about one panel....

                      #80 has some mild abrasives, and polishing oils. #7 is just polishing oils. You may even follow up #80 with #7, if it seems like the #80 has removed the dead paint and dirt.
                      2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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                      • #12
                        Re: Impossible to remove Ultimate Polish from single stage

                        Originally posted by pawalsh View Post
                        Many thanks for the suggestions and it does indeed sounds like the paint is very dried out. It seemed that the compund and polish dried almost instantly - a bit working in the sun except it was a cool day and and the car was cool to the touch. I'll give the the M80 a go or two.. When you say that it needs to be worked sufficiently I assume that means rubbed on well enough for it to disapear before wiping off.
                        Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
                        Since M80 is a diminishing abrasive product you'll want to work it until it's almost gone and then wipe off before it dries.
                        To add to Mike's answer: Diminishing Abrasives (DAT) needs to be worked in meaning you need multiple passes to break down the abrasives. After each section pass, the abrasives in the polish you're using (M80 in this case) will get smaller and smaller. After multiple section passes (4-6), the abrasives have already broken down and you're mainly using them, along with the high polishing oil content to further refine the paint. When you're at this point, the polish is almost clear instead of white.

                        Originally posted by pawalsh View Post
                        Also, what is the difference between M07 and M80?
                        There are no stains on my paint thanksfully, it is just very dull with low refectivity. After my weekend work it now has some reflectivity but I can tell that it has more in it...
                        Thanks for the inspiring photos Billy!
                        M80 Speed glaze is considered a cleaner polish which means it has some minor abrasives (DAT). On the other hand, M07 Show Car Glaze is considered a pure polish which means it has no abrasives at all to clean the paint. Its main purpose is to rejuvenate and moisturize the paint giving it the highest gloss possible.

                        Hope this helps.
                        2011 Car Crazy Showcase SEMA Team

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