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    Doesn't polishing remove clear coat?

    On late model cars, I'm guessing the body is baked in something like an infrared oven @ very high temps.

    So does using something like ScratchX or SWIRLX remove the clear coat? And maybe some of the paint?

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    Re: Doesn't polishing remove clear coat?

    Well... yes, yes, and yes...

    The paint will be baked on at the factory.

    But if a paint cleaner like SwirlX, or ScratchX is applied with some passion to remove defects, paint will be removed. And clear coat is just paint.

    Remember the wind will remove a few molecules of paint whenever it blows....
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    Re: Doesn't polishing remove clear coat?

    Thanks for the reply Murr1525

    So assuming a vehicle that's been thru an automatic car wash or has been buffed incorrectly, etc. and the customer rolls into your shop ( I'm thinking about getting into the business)

    From what I've seen, that vehicle has swirls from hood to trunk. Polishing to remove the swirls removes much of the clear coat or just x.mils(?)

    Which then reduces the UV protection, and depth and gloss of the paint to fade. Which now requires the vehicle to be routinely waxed or the paint has a greater chance of fading/deteriorating Y/N?

    Just trying to understand the downside of removing swirls

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    Re: Doesn't polishing remove clear coat?

    IMHO, scratches once removed and the customer is schooled as to what causes them, they should not return. I do not need to use Scratch X but maybe once every other year if then. If you go into the business, part of the job would also include the customer schooling.
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    Re: Doesn't polishing remove clear coat?

    Thanks guys

    getting my head wrapped around it now.

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    Re: Doesn't polishing remove clear coat?

    When in business, you would probably want to look into a paint thickness gauge, so you can tell how thin the paint might be, esp on old cars.

    You would have to look around, but I am sure someone on here has mentioned what paint thicknesses they feel ok working on, or try to avoid.
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    Re: Doesn't polishing remove clear coat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Murr1525 View Post
    When in business, you would probably want to look into a paint thickness gauge, so you can tell how thin the paint might be, esp on old cars.

    You would have to look around, but I am sure someone on here has mentioned what paint thicknesses they feel ok working on, or try to avoid.
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    Re: Doesn't polishing remove clear coat?

    I think something got cut off there....
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    Re: Doesn't polishing remove clear coat?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeMarque View Post
    So does using something like ScratchX or SWIRLX remove the clear coat? And maybe some of the paint?
    Excellent question LeMarque. . . .I never even thought about that!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Murr1525 View Post
    But if a paint cleaner like SwirlX, or ScratchX is applied with some passion to remove defects, paint will be removed. And clear coat is just paint.
    Really, you are removing clear coat when you use SwirlX or ScratchX. . . .and the repercussions of that are, you will have less clear coat protection??? I thought clear coat was a sealer and protector for the paint? I understands that clear coat is applied like a paint, but isn't different than paint?

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    Re: Doesn't polishing remove clear coat?

    Really, you are removing clear coat when you use SwirlX or ScratchX. . . .and the repercussions of that are, you will have less clear coat protection??? I thought clear coat was a sealer and protector for the paint? I understands that clear coat is applied like a paint, but isn't different than paint?
    No, the 'clear coat' is just a layer of paint with no pigment in it.

    Even though swirls may look terrible, they are most often very very shallow, and you get a bit of a 'magnification' effect. So removing the bad ones once with a stronger product, and then using milder products in the future is quite safe.

    If you had to use a strong cleaner every month or two, yeah, you may end up with problems. You should be looking at how the swirls are getting in there.

    And then if stuff is real bad, or the scratches are deep, or paint is extremely thin, you may only be able to improve things, not remove them completely.
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