DA versus rotary New Car

[TJPark01]

I have a car that's less than a year old. In bright sunshine you can see a lot of swirl marks. I've tried the PC 7424, and swirl x, scratch X, Ultimate compound, with an orange cutting pad, and doesn't seem to work. Is it time for a rotary and 105? (yes, I've taken both beginner and advance classes @ Irvine HQ)

[Hemin8r]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

1) How big of an area are you working on at a time?
2) did you follow up with any other pad after the orange pad? (I'm assuming the orange pad is a cutting pad)
3) What speed were you using on the PC7424

[HCAD]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

Try #105 on a Surbuf pad with a small area, about 12"x12".

...or you can wait until the new Meguiar's DA pad comes to market.

[TJPark01]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

1) How big of an area are you working on at a time?
2) did you follow up with any other pad after the orange pad? (I'm assuming the orange pad is a cutting pad)
3) What speed were you using on the PC7424

1. 2'x2'
2. yes, white polishing pad (lake country and swirl x), made no difference.
3. 4 or 5.

The car does not exhibit swirls in most light, but it bright sunlight you can definitely see them. Is that the best it's gonna get, or will a rotary and 105/205 wool pads necessary to get at hard German paint (BMW)?

[Murr1525]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

Maybe a Thursday night session could help?

[greg0303]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

Is it BMW's non-metallic Jet Black?

[TJPark01]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

Maybe a Thursday night session could help?

I've taken both beginner and advance classes @ Irvine HQ.

Is it BMW's non-metallic Jet Black?

Alpine White, non metallic.

[rapport25]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

Mmmm alpine white. I have never had any issues detailing white cars. Now black german paint I know all about.

I can only comment on Meguiars products. And by reading this thread you are no stranger to detailing.

I assume you have done the usual clay the car. And tap off a small area? How long have you worked the product for? And was the panel cool before you started using your d/a?

I find a yellow megs pad on speed 5 will be good enough for 99% of the jobs I have come across.

Can you post some pics? As I would be interested to see your results.

Have you tried refining the finish with swirl x on a black meg pad at speed 5 for a few passes then stepping down to speed 3 for a further few passes?

It could be you have murred the paint.

Hth's

Rappy

[TJPark01]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

I assume you have done the usual clay the car. And tap off a small area? How long have you worked the product for? And was the panel cool before you started using your d/a?

Correct, taped of small area, and worked the product in for a while. Yes panel was cool to the touch.

Have you tried refining the finish with swirl x on a black meg pad at speed 5 for a few passes then stepping down to speed 3 for a further few passes?

I've tried just about every combo of pad and Meguiars polish you can think of and a PC. You can't see the swirls unless it's under direct sunlight and you're looking for it.
Is this as good as it's gonna get?
Am I trying to be too ambitious or is the rotary in order?

[Hemin8r]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

1. 2'x2'
2. yes, white polishing pad (lake country and swirl x), made no difference.
3. 4 or 5.

The car does not exhibit swirls in most light, but it bright sunlight you can definitely see them. Is that the best it's gonna get, or will a rotary and 105/205 wool pads necessary to get at hard German paint (BMW)?

rather than the 2x2 area go down to 18x18 or even 12x12 as mentioned.
I see you now mention it was a "white polishing pad" which may not be aggressive enough.

I see you're in LA in which we may not be far from each other. If you need help maybe we can try out some products and dial in a method let me know and we can meet up to do a test spot. A wool pad, 105 and rotory may be too aggressive. PM me if your interested.

[rapport25]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

Its very hard to see on those pics. Nice car by the way

Could do with some close up shots. And Mr Stoops or other guys with more knowledge offering some advise and help as what I suggested was thanks to Mr Stoops and worked for me

[TJPark01]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

Its very hard to see on those pics. Nice car by the way

Could do with some close up shots. And Mr Stoops or other guys with more knowledge offering some advise and help as what I suggested was thanks to Mr Stoops and worked for me

Thanks. Pics wont do any good on a white car, it's way too hard to see. I've heard it's really hard paint, which is why a foam pad/DA and 105/205 can only go so far.

[RaskyR1]

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The paint does tend to be very hard on those cars. I recently worked on a 528i, but in Carbon Black. The paint was very hard but with M105 on a orange or cyan LC pad, you should be able to remove light to moderate swirls. If not, M105 and Surbuf pads will. I'd say stick with what you have for now, try working in smaller sections and increase pressure while using a speed of 6.

I did go the rotary route on the car I was working with as it had etched in water spots.

http://www.detailedimage.com/Ask-a-Pro/removing-etched-in-water-spots-and-holograms-from-a-2010-bmw-528i-by-rasky/

I'd hit Jessie up on his offer if you can too.

[rapport25]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

Yes I can imagine being white.

I know you say you have tried every combo.

For me on hard paint. Bmw or VW

Meg yellow pad with ultimate compound on a 12"x12" area until I'm happy with the results. Then refine the finish If required.

Its all down to personal choice. What level is acceptable to you. How much do you want to refine the finish?

On my black pearl. And really hard paint. I have found:-

Ultimate compound on meg yellow pad.
Followed by swirl x on a meg yellow pad.
Followed by swirl x on a meg black pad.
Followed by dc01 on a meg black pad.
Followed by Dc02 on a meg black pad.
Followed by nxt tech wax 2.0

But I'm a bit ocd with my own car and god it shows .

My last detail was 40 hrs.

Rappy

Have you tried

Ultimate compound on meg yellow pad.
Followed by swirl x on a meg yellow pad.
Followed by swirl x on a meg black pad.
Followed by dc01 on a meg black pad.
Followed by Dc02 on a meg black pad. or ultimate polish
Followed by nxt tech wax 2.0 or ulitmate wax?

I would suggest giving this a go and doing a 50/50 on the hood.

[TJPark01]

Re: DA versus rotary New Car

The paint does tend to be very hard on those cars. I recently worked on a 528i, but in Carbon Black. The paint was very hard but with M105 on a orange or cyan LC pad, you should be able to remove light to moderate swirls. If not, M105 and Surbuf pads will. I'd say stick with what you have for now, try working in smaller sections and increase pressure while using a speed of 6.

I did go the rotary route on the car I was working with as it had etched in water spots.

http://www.detailedimage.com/Ask-a-Pro/removing-etched-in-water-spots-and-holograms-from-a-2010-bmw-528i-by-rasky/

I'd hit Jessie up on his offer if you can too.

Looks amazing. SO to be clear, try and stick with a DA, 105 and a more aggressive pad, before moving to the rotary route?