Ultimate Wax

[willowcatfish]

Re: Ultimate Wax

I wonder why they didn't combine the Durability of the PP 365 with the Beauty of the ULW? I would think that would totally challenge and compete or even beat products like Klasse gloss sealant, Wolfgang gloss sealant, and even DP Poli-coat sealant. Now that would REALLY be the ULTIMATE liquid wax.

Don't get me wrong. Nearly everything in my garage here at home is all Meguiars stuff. And I love ULW very much, and will continue to use Meguiars on my cars and others cars forever.

But...... It just seems some of these other companies as Just mentioned asked themselves: What is the MOST durable, and MOST Beautiful sealant we can put out there.

And I absolutely Love the Beauty of ULW. But that Beauty could be combined with the 365's Durability. Now that Combination would be absolutely insane!!!

And I think consumers like myself like Durability.

I'm sorry, maybe I shouldn't talk like this on here. Those are just some of my thoughts. But I just don't want to buy and test those other products out knowing I am big fan of Megs. But in order to create that combo into just one 1 product makes Klasse, Wolfgang, and DP seem really attractive.


Thankyou,


Ray

[Eldorado2k]

Re: Ultimate Wax

Have you tried PP365 for yourself?^

In my experiences It actually darkens paint quite nicely as its applied, whereas Ultimate Wax does not..

[The Guz]

Re: Ultimate Wax

I wonder why they didn't combine the Durability of the PP 365 with the Beauty of the ULW? I would think that would totally challenge and compete or even beat products like Klasse gloss sealant, Wolfgang gloss sealant, and even DP Poli-coat sealant. Now that would REALLY be the ULTIMATE liquid wax.

Don't get me wrong. Nearly everything in my garage here at home is all Meguiars stuff. And I love ULW very much, and will continue to use Meguiars on my cars and others cars forever.

But...... It just seems some of these other companies as Just mentioned asked themselves: What is the MOST durable, and MOST Beautiful sealant we can put out there.

And I absolutely Love the Beauty of ULW. But that Beauty could be combined with the 365's Durability. Now that Combination would be absolutely insane!!!

And I think consumers like myself like Durability.

I'm sorry, maybe I shouldn't talk like this on here. Those are just some of my thoughts. But I just don't want to buy and test those other products out knowing I am big fan of Megs. But in order to create that combo into just one 1 product makes Klasse, Wolfgang, and DP seem really attractive.


Thankyou,


Ray

Technology changes. This is the way of life. The other thing is that the shine comes from the prep (compound, polish or both).

I have to disagree with your comments on ULW in regards to some of those sealants you mentioned. In my opinion it looks just as good and performs just as good as Wolfgang. It's easier to work with than Klasse which is finicky in it's application. On top of that it takes many coats of Klasse to look good. Klasse also has that candy coated look given that it is an acrylic based sealant. If one is looking for that same type of look, then M21 or NXT would be my recommendation. It is also easier to use than klasse. DP Poli-Coat outlasted ULW but by only a couple extra weeks from my personal use.

In regards to PP365, it looks pretty darn good on a properly prepped surface. It was designed to be a protectant as a consumer now a days is looking for something that lasts longer. PP365 still has some decent shine to it if it's just used after claying. The average person can't tell anyway.

I don't own all Meguiar's stuff but it's pretty darn hard to beat some of the products in the Meguiar's line up.

Give PP365 a shot. I've started to like it after using it a few times. I actually like all 3 sealants from Meguiar's as they just simply work and perform very well..

[willowcatfish]

Re: Ultimate Wax

Thanks guys, I assumed I'd get some major retaliation for my comments, even though I wasn't meaning anything bad. And you handled it very good. And Michael, I really appreciate you redirecting my focus back to how ULW compares with the other products out there. And you know what, for my car, I wax every 3-4 months so the ULW is doing perfect as is. I just get too caught up seeing all of these different kinds of products on autogeek, and everyone saying this or that about what's the best product for them on this or that part of the car, and I just get really confused and worried that i'm not using THE BEST product. It'a part of my ocd. Megs has proved over and over again it worthiness to me. And what I need to do is just continue to use what works, and Megs does.

And there really is no basis for me getting out of hand like that. I have been using Meguiars products for the last 4-5 years and have loved everything. The only things I have had problems with, you guys have helped me fix. And that is with the Ultimate Black, which I was not cleaning the trim very good before I applied it.

[The Guz]

Re: Ultimate Wax

In reality there is no one best product. The best product is what works for the individual. It's fine wanting to try other products. That's just the part of coming onto forums like this. I'm all for it when it comes to trying new things. Out of the ones you listed I would say to give Wolfgang or DP a shot. I believe Wolfgang needs more time to set up. Klasse was too finicky for me. If you want to know what other sealants and waxes that I liked that are non-Meguiar's go ahead and PM me. I'll give you my thoughts on them.

If you think picking a sealant is bad wait until you start venturing into coatings . There are just too many products on the market.

[willowcatfish]

Re: Ultimate Wax

"There are just too many products on the market."

LOL! You ain't lyin' that's for sure!

It's like, I think you mentioned Michael about something Mr. Phillips said, "Find something that works and stick to it." I'm only paraphrasing there, but that is something I've got to go by, and just keep at it. Especially just getting back into the swing of things like now. Then I can dabble into a few others as I go.

You got me there, what is the difference between a coating and other waxes or sealants?

Thanks for your help man!

[The Guz]

Re: Ultimate Wax

Here's the quick and dirty version of the difference between the three.

Waxes - Typically carnauba based. These contain natural occurring ingredients. These have the least longevity. Typically 1-3 months. This varies by surrounding environment. These provide the warm glow.

Sealants - These are mostly synthetic and man made. These provide more longevity and are more durable than a wax. Typically about 4-6 months. This varies by surrounding environment. There are some sealants that could be considered super sealants (aka PP365) which claim a longevity of 1 year.

Coatings - These are the most durable forms of paint protection. They vary from ceramic coatings to glass coatings. They offer protection ranging from about 2-5 years. These require more preparation prior to application but require less maintenance than a wax or sealant (ie spray waxes).

[Eldorado2k]

Re: Ultimate Wax

I didnt mean for anything to come off as retaliation or anything like that. It's all good

And don't get me wrong, I'm not even a huge supporter of the PP365 product. I don't even own it, but I have had it applied to my car and I've read reviews from others who have also noticed it's darkening affect just after applying.

But if you read comments on the internet from people who've never used the product, they'll usually talk about how it does nothing to enhance the appearance and blah blah blah.. That's the only minor thing I dislike. But nothing towards you at all

[davey g-force]

Re: Ultimate Wax

I wonder why they didn't combine the Durability of the PP 365 with the Beauty of the ULW? I would think that would totally challenge and compete or even beat products like Klasse gloss sealant, Wolfgang gloss sealant, and even DP Poli-coat sealant. Now that would REALLY be the ULTIMATE liquid wax.

Don't get me wrong. Nearly everything in my garage here at home is all Meguiars stuff. And I love ULW very much, and will continue to use Meguiars on my cars and others cars forever.

But...... It just seems some of these other companies as Just mentioned asked themselves: What is the MOST durable, and MOST Beautiful sealant we can put out there.

And I absolutely Love the Beauty of ULW. But that Beauty could be combined with the 365's Durability. Now that Combination would be absolutely insane!!!

And I think consumers like myself like Durability.

I'm sorry, maybe I shouldn't talk like this on here. Those are just some of my thoughts. But I just don't want to buy and test those other products out knowing I am big fan of Megs. But in order to create that combo into just one 1 product makes Klasse, Wolfgang, and DP seem really attractive.


Thankyou,


Ray

Something I've come to realise when it comes to all waxes / sealants:

You have 1)Durability, 2)Looks and 3)Ease of use.

Now pick two of those three and that will help you choose the right wax/sealant for you! :P

[willowcatfish]

Re: Ultimate Wax

Originally Posted by Blueline
I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.


LOL! That's some funny and cool stuff there davey g-force!

[willowcatfish]

Re: Ultimate Wax

I didnt mean for anything to come off as retaliation or anything like that. It's all good

And don't get me wrong, I'm not even a huge supporter of the PP365 product. I don't even own it, but I have had it applied to my car and I've read reviews from others who have also noticed it's darkening affect just after applying.

But if you read comments on the internet from people who've never used the product, they'll usually talk about how it does nothing to enhance the appearance and blah blah blah.. That's the only minor thing I dislike. But nothing towards you at all

OH no Eldorado2k, I didn't mean that I felt you guys retaliated. I just meant, that because of what I said about the Meguiars Product, that I was AFRAID that you guys might retaliate. And then I thanked you guys for not.


Sorry about that, I could have said that better.


And thanks again for all of your help and suggestions man!


Ray

[willowcatfish]

Re: Ultimate Wax

Here's the quick and dirty version of the difference between the three.

Waxes - Typically carnauba based. These contain natural occurring ingredients. These have the least longevity. Typically 1-3 months. This varies by surrounding environment. These provide the warm glow.

Sealants - These are mostly synthetic and man made. These provide more longevity and are more durable than a wax. Typically about 4-6 months. This varies by surrounding environment. There are some sealants that could be considered super sealants (aka PP365) which claim a longevity of 1 year.

Coatings - These are the most durable forms of paint protection. They vary from ceramic coatings to glass coatings. They offer protection ranging from about 2-5 years. These require more preparation prior to application but require less maintenance than a wax or sealant (ie spray waxes).

Thankyou Michael, you could not have explained that any clearer than you did! 2-5 years! Holy Cow is that Crazy!

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Ultimate Wax

I just get too caught up seeing all of these different kinds of products on autogeek, and everyone saying this or that about what's the best product for them on this or that part of the car, and I just get really confused and worried that i'm not using THE BEST product. It'a part of my ocd. Megs has proved over and over again it worthiness to me. And what I need to do is just continue to use what works, and Megs does.

Here's the situation (and that word was chosen carefully to avoid using "problem" because it's really not a problem) with all those opinions on products, whether on another forum or even here on MOL: there are very few truly bad products on the market and everyone has a personal opinion about what they like, for whatever reasons they like them. Sometimes it just the newness of something that appeals to the eye (and/or other senses). For example; I've personally become a huge fan of Ultimate Wax paste since it's intro - I love the way it applies, I love the way it looks - especially on metallics - and I love the durability of it. But if I apply a different wax, one that I'm familiar with but maybe haven't used in a long time, I'll often step back and think "man, this is some really killer stuff!" I've done that with M26 High Tech Yellow Wax recently, and with White Wax as well. While certainly "different" from UW they aren't necessarily better. Unless, of course, something about it strikes you in such a way that you decide you like Product A over Product B suddenly. It's bad enough with a single, very extensive line like Meguiar's, but now you add in 3, 4, 15 other brands and hoo-wee the choices boggle the mind! Hence, Mike Phillips often saying "Find something you like and use it often". Or, as my sig line states, "This hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy".

And there really is no basis for me getting out of hand like that. I have been using Meguiars products for the last 4-5 years and have loved everything. The only things I have had problems with, you guys have helped me fix. And that is with the Ultimate Black, which I was not cleaning the trim very good before I applied it.

You didn't even come close to getting out of hand!! You were merely expressing your thoughts on the subject, simple as that. We have no problems with other brands being discussed here on MOL, so you're fine there, and you didn't even approach bashing anything or anyone so you're good there, too. I think this has actually been a pretty discussion all around - so keep it up!

[willowcatfish]

Re: Ultimate Wax

Thanks Greatly for the Encouraging and uplifting words Michael! And your Signature line, "This hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy", is so true and applicable, that I will remember that throughout this learning process.

I have my first details coming up this weekend starting on Saturday. So I will have a great opportunity to test out the Meguiars products again. What's even cooler about that, is that I am working on a 2013 Navy Blue Camry. So the paint is in pretty solid condition, just a lot swirls and very light scratching. And after I get some UC on there and finish the steps, I think that Navy Blue color is really going to clearly show a Huge difference.

Again, thanks for all the help, and take care!


Ray

[gwcakep]

Re: Ultimate Wax

Hi Guys,

This is my 1st post. My apology if asking in the wrong thread.

Recently, I bought ULW from Amazon. The packaging of the ULW seems different (the wording at the top left corner of the box) with the most packaging in the market. Anybody know what is the difference between these 2 packaging. Thanks

Amazon :

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxPiAEwDLgHPeXk0U1h4Y1I2UmY5R3pWSVRFeTgyUHRoWEFB

Meguiar :

http://www.meguiars.com/content/global/product/2822_lg.jpg