Ultimate Polish

[EPHIOS]

Re: Ultimate Polish

Can't wait for this product to come to my local shelves.

[Shootist]

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Just saw SwirlX on "clearance" at my local Wally-World for $5 bucks...could this be to make room for Ultimate Polish???

[Michael Stoops]

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Just saw SwirlX on "clearance" at my local Wally-World for $5 bucks...could this be to make room for Ultimate Polish???

Could be. But it also could be something as simple as that product not selling as well as, say, Ultimate Compound and the store having too much product in inventory for too long.

[k3ith]

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Just saw SwirlX on "clearance" at my local Wally-World for $5 bucks...could this be to make room for Ultimate Polish???

Although possible, generally a Wal-Mart individual store does not have the authority to mark down product as this is controlled by HQ. So it likely indicates something along the lines of Swirlx being discontinued. However, it *could* be they are reducing that stores automotive section size (were other products on clearance?), new products (megs or otherwise) could be taking SwirlX place, the region including that wal-mart store could be making a product change but not the entirety of wal-marts, etc.

As Stoops suggested, Swirlx could just be under performing. Wal-mart typically wants a product to sell 2.5 cases a week per store but may be more lenient in slower moving categories - I'm not sure about automotive. In this case, the discontinued product could be replaced or existing products shelf facings could be expanded, like UC.

After all that, I think we'll just have to wait and see if Wally stocks Ultimate Polish but I'd bet your initial thought is correct and Megs is working with Wal-Mart for the line change.

[kiwiatlarge]

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I'm liking the look of the Ultimate Polish/Ultimate Wax combination..

Currently I have the trifecta of UC/Scratch-X/Swirl-X in my arsenal, along with Cleaner Wax. For the makeovers for my daily driver I'm using the Mother's 3 step because I like the results of the stage 2 and 3 on my dark metallic blue paint. (and the shop I went to at the time didn't stock Meguiars)

Last week my mrs finally purchased her dream car, a Commodore Clubsport, and as I don't fancy using a 3 step system on a 6 litre V8 every few weeks, I've decided to give NXT2.0 a try and have bought it for her for christmas... I'm thinking I'll use the NXT and add in the Cleaner Wax as required..

So if we do get these products here (probably some time in 2013), it looks like the combination could offer the best of all worlds

[Alfisti]

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Keep in mind you don't need to do the 3-step every few weeks.

Step 1 - twice a year
Step 2 - 3 or 4 times a year
Step 3 - as often as you like, maybe monthly.

[smack]

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I would love to do Step 3 every week but I dont have time for that. Lol!

[Shootist]

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Advance Auto is ready for Ultimate Polish! http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product__10048740-P_N3302A_T|GRP2074____

[BOWTIE10]

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The old Meguiar's Medallion Premium Paint Cleaner got me hooked on detailing.

If this polish gets the same results by hand as MPPC I'll be thrilled!

[OhioCarBuff]

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I've noticed that Advance Auto Parts always gets new released Meguiars products before anyone else- at least in this part of the country

[Blue Apollo IV]

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I've noticed that Advance Auto Parts always gets new released Meguiars products before anyone else- at least in this part of the country

That was the case here too. Although I had to drive around to about 3 different ones to find all that I was looking for. I think they came out in mid-January last year. Our Walmarts didn't get most of the stuff from last years new product line til really late in the year.

[BOWTIE10]

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At this time, no. Ultimate Polish offers a lot more polishing oils than SwirlX but similar cleaning ability.

Will the polishing oils prevent it from being a good base before applying a sealant?

How would you rate the cut of Ultimate Polish vs #80?

[Shootist]

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That was the case here too. Although I had to drive around to about 3 different ones to find all that I was looking for. I think they came out in mid-January last year. Our Walmarts didn't get most of the stuff from last years new product line til really late in the year.

Put the item(s) in your cart on the Advance website and then click on "pick up at store". It will then let you know what stores stock it. For example in Charlotte, only their "main" store stocks Megs 105/205 and buffing pads.

[mattya802]

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Will the polishing oils prevent it from being a good base before applying a sealant?

How would you rate the cut of Ultimate Polish vs #80?

Taken from the UW thread:

I just stepped out of our head chemist's office (VP of R&D) where we were discussing this very topic - I wanted to make sure I conveyed this information as accurately as possible since we know it's a subject of much debate in detailing forums.

You are correct in assuming that if you had a layer of oil on top of the paint that the wax/sealant would not adhere to it. But in order for that to happen you would need a perfectly flat, non porous surface to begin with. And paint is anything but perfectly flat and non porous. When you apply a pure polish you are, in fact, feeding those oils down into the pores of the paint. We know that in those debates on detailing forums many people insist that paint is "dry" and "impermeable" but that is flat out not correct. Even factory paint that has been oven cured still has some moisture to it in the form of whatever solvents, etc make up that paint. And over time, with exposure to the elements, that paint will continue to desiccate, sometimes to the point of failure.

That's why products like M105 that were designed to be used on fresh paint work best in that situation. Anyone who has experienced very fast drying and dusting of M105, or even gumming up of the product, needs look no further than the condition of the paint they're using it on. For me personally, I think back to that Ferrari 360 Modena I buffed out a couple of years ago where M105 did just that - it turned to a gummy mess almost immediately. Why? Because the paint (a clear coat, by the way, not single stage) was so dried out that it literally sucked the moisture out of M105 and into the paint. That can be a tough concept for those who believe paint to be completely "dry" to wrap their heads around. But switching to an oil rich product, in this case M80, did wonders for correcting that poor Ferrari. Spray a car, wet sand it a day or two later, then compound it with M105 and you won't see a ton of dust like you will when D/A correcting a used car that hasn't been pampered its whole life. And it's all down to the porosity and dryness of the paint.

So, what does that have to do with the question at hand? Simple - a pure polish applied to a paint surface, especially one that has experienced repeated exposure to the elements and is a bit more "weathered", will get down into those pores and effectively smooth out the finish. Applying a wax or sealant on top of that will actually give the wax/sealant a flatter, smoother base to lay over but still give plenty of paint surface for it to bond to. The rest of the final curing of the product locks it down over the polish. So the polish isn't actually creating a layer of oil on top of the paint, but rather filling the pores of the paint. A gel coat works the exact same way, but on a larger scale, so to speak. If you've ever worked on a dried out gel coat and applied a pure polish to it, you can literally watch that stuff get sucked into the finish. That is because gel coats are much thicker and far more porous than automotive paint, but the mechanism of what's happening is identical.

On a brand spanking new car fresh off the assembly line, a pure polish may make very little difference to the finish because the paint surface is still pretty "tight", meaning it hasn't yet aged, dried, opened up. Even applying a coat of wax often doesn't make a huge visual difference to paint that is that new. Now go to the opposite extreme - a badly oxidized single stage paint system, one where a red car now looks pink. A wax alone can make a huge visual improvement, but a pure polish will do much, much more. Obviously a proper paint cleaner is really called for in that case, but just looking at pure polishes it's obvious how much more dramatic the reaction is here compared to a fresh paint job. And in between these two extremes you'll find varying degrees of dryness, porosity, etc and the response to a pure polish will change accordingly. Clear coat systems may not be quite as dramatic, but the same sort of changes are still taking place.

[BOWTIE10]

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If a cut level, e.g. Mirror Glaze polishes" were assigned to this product, how would it be rated?

Similar to #80 or #205?