Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

8" pads are generally reserved for rotary use, where the higher speeds achieved at the outer perimeter of the pad will increase cut. On a DA that large pad will overwhelm the tool and, as you've experienced, you won't get anything done.

We see plenty of folks stating on other forums that our 7" Soft Buff 2.0 pads are too large for DA use, but looking at all the cars we've corrected in our Saturday Classes using these pads, all the demos we've done, and all the real world cars we've done full corrections on, we just don't see them as being a negative in any way. We do highly recommend that you pair these pads with our W68DA backing plate, however, to get max results. 4" pads are great for spot work, but they really concentrate the energy of the DA into a very small area and that can be an issue on urethane bumper covers and other plastic substrate pieces - especially when working in a very aggressive manner. Working with the 7424XP you may find that you need to run at slightly higher speeds than what we generally recommend with our G110v2 just because the XP doesn't have quite the torque level of our tool and it will bog down quite a bit easier under pressure.

Now, we know that you'll likely to get several recommendations for LC's range of 5.5" pads, and that's fine. They're excellent pads, no doubt about it. But if you want to stick with Meguiar's products, we'd suggest going with the 7" Soft Buff 2.0 pads rather than the 4", and concentrate on your buffing technique to get the job done.

[billoftt]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

Thanks. I am only an enthusiast and I do not do this for a living, thus I have no need for a complete arsenal of detailing tools. I would like to just have one group of pads to use and I like the idea of 4" inch pads for th esmall spaces on my vehicles. If I were to use 4" pads, are you saying that I should use lighter pressure?

On a side note, this is what separates Meguiar's from the other brands, great product support.

[umi000]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

8" pads are generally reserved for rotary use, where the higher speeds achieved at the outer perimeter of the pad will increase cut. On a DA that large pad will overwhelm the tool and, as you've experienced, you won't get anything done.

We see plenty of folks stating on other forums that our 7" Soft Buff 2.0 pads are too large for DA use, but looking at all the cars we've corrected in our Saturday Classes using these pads, all the demos we've done, and all the real world cars we've done full corrections on, we just don't see them as being a negative in any way. We do highly recommend that you pair these pads with our W68DA backing plate, however, to get max results. 4" pads are great for spot work, but they really concentrate the energy of the DA into a very small area and that can be an issue on urethane bumper covers and other plastic substrate pieces - especially when working in a very aggressive manner. Working with the 7424XP you may find that you need to run at slightly higher speeds than what we generally recommend with our G110v2 just because the XP doesn't have quite the torque level of our tool and it will bog down quite a bit easier under pressure.

Now, we know that you'll likely to get several recommendations for LC's range of 5.5" pads, and that's fine. They're excellent pads, no doubt about it. But if you want to stick with Meguiar's products, we'd suggest going with the 7" Soft Buff 2.0 pads rather than the 4", and concentrate on your buffing technique to get the job done.

Michael, I know that as an employee of Meguiar's, you have to toe the company line, and obviously that line is that 7" pads are perfectly fine on a DA - however, to say that there are no negatives to using larger pads on a DA is being disingenuous. If using smaller 4" pads allows a DA to concentrate its energy and work in a more aggressive (and perhaps, concomitantly, more efficient) manner, than the same would be true, if to a somewhat lesser extent, for using 5.5" pads compared to 7" pads - after all, the same physics would apply in both situations. And it's not just a theoretical disadvantage - I've no doubt that in your classes, you are able to get good results using those 7" pads, but in a session held by the local Meguiar's distributor, you could easily see the G220v2 bogging down, even at speed six, when used with the 7" pads.

Now I'm sure that there is a lot of research that goes into determining what markets want, and the feedback from a random forum member doesn't really rate compared to that, but given the almost universal recommendation on other detailing forums that smaller pads (i.e. ~5" pads) are better for DAs - a recommendation that you yourselves make with regards to the MF pads! - perhaps it would be a good idea to consider releasing your pads in that middling 5.5" size? I am sure that I am not the only person who would prefer the simplicity of range (three pads) and quality of Meguiar's pads, if only they were available in a size that I believed worked better with a DA.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

It is entirely true that the smaller the pad, when used on a DA, the greater the level of cut - all else being equal (foam construction, liquid, etc) so a 4" pad will cut more than a 5" pad, which will cut more than a 6" pad, which will cut more than a 7" pad, etc etc. But you can't dismiss the 7" pad just because of the popularity of a certain brand of 5.5" pads on the market. And given that, we should all be using 4" pads then. Or perhaps 3". Sure, there's plenty of room for smaller sized pads, but it seems that there's a trend in this hobby to look more for shortcuts than for developing technique. We've seen several comments praising a certain forced rotation tool because it makes it possible to maintain pad spin when working on tight radius, convex body contours where it's impossible to do so with a DA. Impossible? Since when? Heck, there are cases with almost any sized pad where you can get the pad to stop spinning, yet you can still manage to work out the defect. Look at Kevin Brown's discussion on "edging the pad" to maximize cut when working out a severe, isolated defect. There's no real rotation of the pad any more, but it still removes the defects. In any event, we think that's more an issue of technique than anything else, regardless of pad size.

And then there's the recent round of discussions praising M101, as if M105 is suddenly obsolete. Personally, these discussions always get me wondering how on earth anyone managed to remove a swirl mark with a DA prior to 2007 (introduction of M105)? I seem to recall Mike Phillips doing just fine with M80 or M83 and pads in excess of 5.5" when he was working here. But I digress.

As for our size choice with the DAMF system, that's because we were intentionally going after a level of cut that would bridge the gap between DA use (regardless of foam pad size) and rotary use.

[umi000]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

That's the thing though - not everyone has the technique and finesse that Kevin Brown or Mike Phillips does. As a hobbyist - like a fair number of people who join this and similar forums - I do not have the access to the variety of cars needed to develop that technique, nor do I have the inclination to spend hours on end polishing even if I did. As with all things, it's about finding a balance (in this case between cutting ability and pad coverage), and the common consensus is that 7" pads are not the correct balance for a DA.

Anything that makes life easier is welcome - otherwise, your company would never have release a G110 or a G110v2, and Ultimate Wax would be nowhere to be found. Just because it can be done now, doesn't mean that finding ways to get it done easier and quicker aren't worth looking at. To say it's all about finding shortcuts is, frankly, a bit condescending - not everyone has the time to devote to polishing multiple cars to develop perfect technique; some of us just want to have good looking cars with the minimum amount of effort required.

[m4st0r]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

Anybody know which pad/speed is good for Ultimate Polish / Ultimate Wax? Thanks!

[martinrrrr]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

Yes.



Geez, you guys really want this updated badly, don't you???? We'll get to it very soon, promise.

Well it's been a while since this promise was made. Does that mean that Michael has left or that Meguiars has stopped supporting this thread?

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

Anybody know which pad/speed is good for Ultimate Polish / Ultimate Wax? Thanks!

Ultimate Polish, or any finishing polish for that matter, can be applied with either the yellow W8xxx pad or with the black W9207 pad, depending on needs. For example, if you need to remove just very light swirls then using a yellow polishing pad will provide a bit more cut. If you're doing a refining step after using Ultimate Compound, then the black finishing pad is probably the better choice. Ultimate Wax, just as with any other non-cleaning wax or sealant, should always be applied with the finishing pad.

Well it's been a while since this promise was made. Does that mean that Michael has left or that Meguiars has stopped supporting this thread?

Neither. What it means is that this is a fairly low priority on an ever increasingly busy plate for me. My apologies, but I will get to it - there are a handful of such threads that I need to update in the near future.

[martinrrrr]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

Ultimate Polish, or any finishing polish for that matter, can be applied with either the yellow W8xxx pad or with the black W9207 pad, depending on needs. For example, if you need to remove just very light swirls then using a yellow polishing pad will provide a bit more cut. If you're doing a refining step after using Ultimate Compound, then the black finishing pad is probably the better choice. Ultimate Wax, just as with any other non-cleaning wax or sealant, should always be applied with the finishing pad.

Thanks Michael, I understand about the busy plate.

[Yosheego]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

8" pads are generally reserved for rotary use, where the higher speeds achieved at the outer perimeter of the pad will increase cut. On a DA that large pad will overwhelm the tool and, as you've experienced, you won't get anything done.

We see plenty of folks stating on other forums that our 7" Soft Buff 2.0 pads are too large for DA use, but looking at all the cars we've corrected in our Saturday Classes using these pads, all the demos we've done, and all the real world cars we've done full corrections on, we just don't see them as being a negative in any way. We do highly recommend that you pair these pads with our W68DA backing plate, however, to get max results. 4" pads are great for spot work, but they really concentrate the energy of the DA into a very small area and that can be an issue on urethane bumper covers and other plastic substrate pieces - especially when working in a very aggressive manner. Working with the 7424XP you may find that you need to run at slightly higher speeds than what we generally recommend with our G110v2 just because the XP doesn't have quite the torque level of our tool and it will bog down quite a bit easier under pressure.

Now, we know that you'll likely to get several recommendations for LC's range of 5.5" pads, and that's fine. They're excellent pads, no doubt about it. But if you want to stick with Meguiar's products, we'd suggest going with the 7" Soft Buff 2.0 pads rather than the 4", and concentrate on your buffing technique to get the job done.

You are right! I just got my 7424xp last night and started using it. I'm doing the m105 on a 6.5" CCS (orange) with a 5" backing plate and when I apply some pressure, it slows down a bit, so i boosted up to 5.5 speed.

My setup-
PC 7424xp
CCS Pads (Orange, Green, White, Gray, and Blue)

I have a few questions also..

The chart shows m105 uses a w8207 pad at speed of 4-5. What would be the comparable pads/speed with what I have setup currently to achieve similar results with the m105?

These are the orders...I did/planned...

Wash with Dawn
Clayed
M105
M205
M07
M26

This is done on a 08 Black Toyota Sequoia. Has been machined washed all it's life until last night. So lots of swirls/scuffs. Has major fallout in the rears. The whole car pretty much felt like sandpaper lol!

[Yosheego]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

nvm, I'm an idiot.

http://www.autogeek.net/ccs-polishing-how-to.html

this should help me =D

It's been awhile since I have came back into this fun hobby.

[DLoranger]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

I have a 110v2 and pretty much use the Ultimate line products. Am I correct in believing that ultimate polish would be setting 2-3 with either yellow or black pad depending on the job ? And Ultimate wax setting 2-3 only ? I see on the chart from page 1 the setting for Ultimate compound and Swirl X.
I also have the DAMFK and am wondering were the correction compound stands as far as cut when compared to Ultimate Compound, Swirl X, and Ultimate Polish ?
These are the primary products that I have/use and just want to make sure I understand what to use and when . I appreciate any help. Thank you

[Evan.J]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

I have a 110v2 and pretty much use the Ultimate line products. Am I correct in believing that ultimate polish would be setting 2-3 with either yellow or black pad depending on the job ? And Ultimate wax setting 2-3 only ? I see on the chart from page 1 the setting for Ultimate compound and Swirl X.
I also have the DAMFK and am wondering were the correction compound stands as far as cut when compared to Ultimate Compound, Swirl X, and Ultimate Polish ?
These are the primary products that I have/use and just want to make sure I understand what to use and when . I appreciate any help. Thank you

Ultimate polish is similar to M205 so yes you can use the yellow pad to finish after using Ultimate Compound. Speed setting 3 will be just fine. DAMF has D300 which is made specifically for the cutting pad. The combo of the disc the D300 with going to give you more cut that UC.

[mb911]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

It's about the time of the year I do my yearly swirl removal. Last year I used the MF system, but I can't remember all the speed settings. Which speed for the cutting and what speed for the wax?

[Andy M.]

Re: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the G110 Dual Action Polisher - Updated!

It's about the time of the year I do my yearly swirl removal. Last year I used the MF system, but I can't remember all the speed settings. Which speed for the cutting and what speed for the wax?

Here you go quoted from Michael Stoops in an earlier thread. "The system was fine tuned to use the 5" discs on a DA at 4800 opm and 3800 opm for cutting and finishing. That is specifically speeds 4 and 3, respectively, on the G110v2. We put a lot of development into this system and these settings, so we highly recommend using it this way. While you can use the 6" discs on a DA you will see reduced cut, which sort of defeats the purpose of the system. The 6" discs were developed so that users of larger format tools, like the Flex 3401 and others with semi-fixed backing plates can still use the system."